*chorus instrumental part of Weird Al's Alberquerque plays repeatedly*

out west is fuckin' weird, man

>People are always talking about how the fanbase turned them off to various western cartoons, but for me it's always been anime with the deplorable fanbases. Both Eva and Lainfags have their heads so far up their asses that they loop back around again, and if I here another goddamn Jojo reference I'm gonna bash someone's skull in

>Not enough people know about Ojamajo Doremi. It's really fun and creative show, and was one of the few shows that managed to continue to surprise me up to the very end.
These seem sort of contradicting to me since Evangelion, SEL and JoJo all got completely destroyed community-wise when they became mainstream on the internet. I still enjoy all three shows, but I've thrown in the towel trying to discuss or talk about them in general anywhere public because I'd have to spent weeks going through your typical bandwagoners the likes of /a/'s current userbase to get to read opinions from people who have something worthwhile to say.
I myself am extremely cautious to never mention any of the lesser known shows I like because for my entertainment's sake I don't want their communities to get infected.

>I've never met a guy from Argentina who wasn't an asshole
i can 2nd this notion. there's this guy on one platform i'm on who would lie, cheat, manipulate, and steal just to get some e-popularity on this dumb service. i don't get why some people are like that.

With cigarettes, nicotine feels good. Plus, for someone already smoking tobacco in a better tasting form, they probably seemed like a more convenient and quick hitting way to get nicotine, which could explain them catching on in the first place.
With beer, well, I didnt think beer tasted good until I had one while I was extremely exhausted. Think it tastes great now.

I dreamed that I forgot my bag at the top of a tower yesterday, I'm still sore from climbing all these stairs.

I hadn't watched dragonball until I was in my very late teens, and my friend hadn't watched the simpsons until she was in her 20s. To put it into reference, we were both born in the late 90s, meaning both shows were already things that basically everyone with a pulse was expected to have watched

The highways never sleep. Each car has at least one person in it. Each bus probably has a good number of people in it.
The stores are full of people. The buildings are full of people. The city is full of people. The country is full of people. The earth is full of people.
Each one of these people have their own life, their own story. They have somewhere to be.

It's so weird to think about.

Sometimes I also think about the massive quantities of stuff that factories must be producing. All sorts of things being churned out non-stop globally. Worthless dollar store trinkets; pants; candy; pens; Coca-Cola.

And what might happen to all the plastic and metal in a bus? or the plastic chairs in a building? 100 years from now.

>>9
Or maybe I should have written "roads."

Most of the east vs west anime vs cartoon shitshows come from people not understanding the differences between the methods the industries use, as well as the differing terminology used by the two industries for the same things. If people on both sides understood more about the other arguments would be way less frequent

I feel I may be wrong in this thought of mine, but it often seems that a lot of internet outrage and mobs can be source near, or directly to, Twitter. It's like everytime someone is freaking out about something online, a Twitter link or reference is quick to follow.

sometimes I wear my sister's panties :))))

>>13
cute, post pics :3

>>12
A lot of it comes from Twitter's size. People see big communities as a prime opportunity to convert a wide audience to their opinions, so as a result larger platforms have way more ideologues on them.

8chan needs to fucking die already.

Everyone who was there to post actual content has long since moved to greener pastures as the and the only people left are volatile douchebags who are only there because all of the other notable imageboards permabanned them, literal children who unironically use words like "lulz" and watch shit like drama alert, far right reactionaries, and crazed conspiracy theorists.

Every time I visit that site now it ruins my day. It's like watching a dying cat that can't hear or see anymore. It seriously just needs to be put out of its misery already

>>16
nice /polv/ bro

It's strange how hobbies end up getting destroyed by people who come in to them for the human element more than the hobby's activity.
One would figure that the people would be the most important thing in a hobby, but those who value the people in a group more than a hobby often end up tearing it apart, and by extension, the people they wanted to interact with.

>>18
One weird thing I've noticed is that almost every hobby now has their own social media celebrities and influencers with clout to affect the that hobby while creating a meta community around themselves. It's strange and terrible, but I think inevitable.

I think one of the worst side effects of the rise of the internet among the mainstream has been the globalization of everything. If a single country is having a bunch of political strife it ends up spreading to the rest of the world via social media sites like twitter.

I guarantee that way fewer people in the US (where I live) would care about refugees if it weren't for the internet. Europe actually does have a refugee crisis, so obviously you're going to see people complain. But these complaints get to American ears so quickly and so seamlessly that to you're average Joe, it looks like there's too many refugees everywhere.

>>16
It might be closer than it seems. It's down at the moment, something to do with a shooting in synagogue in California apparently, I dunno I don't read the news.

People love to compare Japan and America, but I feel like the more apt comparison is between Japan and France, since Japan has slowly overtaken France's niche in the world of fashion and art

I think technology, particularly computers, can only amplify man, not change them. I remember there being a lot of starry-eyed speculation about people being able to connect with one another, and I know many feel that technology can do a lot of good for mankind. But I think that technology can only do as much good for others as are in people to do. Likewise, it can do as much ill as a person want to do.

This came to mind when an Anon was complaining about how people waste their time, energy, and ability on realizing obscure, bizarre pornography, and how that energy could have been used much differently. At the time, I could only think "Even if the person could use their energy differently, they probably would not".

>>23
Going off that, I hate people who are obsessed with this weirdass ideal of prosperity where everyone is always productive at all times and never does anything wasteful or worthless. If we were to only do things for the sake of practicality we'd still be monkeys. The whole appeal of a prosperous society is that you have the room for luxury. If you don't want that why bother?

I miss the old western anime community. It was way more inviting, way less elitist, and had this earnestness and optimism that's just gone now. I also hate how purist modern weebs are. They, more than anyone else, love to shit on people, and will take every opportunity to do so.

>>23
>>24
guys whhy are you discussing this when you could be curing cancer

>>24
This article is for you then: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/opinion/sunday/in-praise-of-mediocrity.html

Regarding >>25, someone needs to post it.

>>27
you mean this?

>>28
That was posted by a time traveler, it doesn't count.

>>26
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fsvZZXd4ms

>>30
I now want to see someone host a 4taba Marble Race tournament

>>28
times never change

I really need to stop using 4v, it's discourse on video games is at such an absurd low that listening to young men on Youtube gush about games 50 people before them gushed about is somehow much more invigorating and enlightening. I don't know how it came to this point, and I really don't know why I even started using that board.
Sad thing is, I'm not talking about all the off-topic and political nonsense, though that is bad. The entire populace there seems to be unable to properly describe a game and what they liked or dislike about a game beyond belching out "it's good" or "it's bad". There's barely any description of mechanics, no interest in details, and it all feels motivated by some bizarre desire to one-up people constantly. There seems to be no appreciation of the art of game design, something I really became sensitive to when I spent some time researching traditional game history and how mechanics are developed independent of computer technology. The only thing 4anons seem to care about in games is the graphics, and its the only thing people there seem to spend any time appreciating beyond "it's good", "it's bad".

>>33
>The only thing 4anons seem to care about in games is the graphics
I fucking wish. They don't even care about that.

No, what /v/ cares about is how fappable a game is, a fact that they'll prouldy admit

how long do I have to wait to get something like plex for my mango

I think weebs forgot how niche anime is, not only in the west but in Japan itself. The industry is able to get away with way more than the western industry for this very reason; when you're making and spending less money you can take bigger risks

You know what's annoying? Feeling empty.
Like, I don't have anything I want to think about, I want to do, or anything. A strange, hollow feeling where I'm existing, but not at the same time, a bizarre combination of life and death.
Then when I try to do something, anything, I just can't. As if the void gobbled that desire up too. So I end up laying there, focusing on my breathing as if clinging on to something of myself.

>>33
There are plenty of really terrible posts on /v/. But it's really not that terrible. There's still decent threads, here and there.
It's pretty much the best place to discuss video games online.

>>38
You need to force yourself to things. You've made a habit of doing nothing, and that void is your brain being a retard. The only way to fix yourself is to form a new habit that forces you to do shit. My advise is to take daily walks. It forces you out of your room and lets you easily transition into other simple activities like shopping, eating out, and, if you live near nature, hiking.

>>39
>It's pretty much the best place to discuss *hobby* online.
I've heard this about many Yotsuba boards, and each day I am increasingly convinced that this is only true of /m/.

I'm argentinian. Fuck you.

I haven't really considered this observation, but it seemed very clear and obvious to me for years:
A lot of Youtube content can be boiled down to being Mystery Science Theater 3000, only done badly.

>>41
Being the best =/ being good.

>>43
This makes perfect sense to me.

Furries are a way closer western equivalent to Japanese otaku than weebs will ever be.

>>46
Given that Bronies are pretty similar to Touhou fans, with the exception of Touhou being in a weird pseudo Creative Commons environment, this is not very surprising of an observation.

The problem with drunk driving isn't the drunkenness, it's the driving. Before automobiles became common, people would go home from the bar via walking, horse, or maybe bicycle. Unless you were drinking with your horse, the bicycle was the only one with the potential to even injure someone because of your drunken driving. On the flip side, even sober drivers are incredibly dangerous: about 40,000 people die in car accidents per year in the United States alone, and most of those deaths don't involve alcohol.

I'm just young enough that I can't relate to Millenials, but I'm also just old enough that I can't relate to the current generation of kids.

My childhood was the club penguin, the early 2010s cartoon network renascence, little big planet, DS games, late 2000s newgrounds, web 1.5 flash sites, and long-running webcomics that had professional quality art by the time I found them.

These are all things that nobody is nostalgic for yet, but at the same time nobody really cares about anymore. I feel weirdly alone in my tastes and it sucks.

>>49
>I feel weirdly alone in my tastes and it sucks.
I think this happens to most users of obscure imageboards like this one. We have each other for now, and that works for me Ɛ>

>>49
While I'm not particularly passionate about most of those things myself, except for DS games, I do have a few nice memories of them. I'm sure there are lots of people out there who share your tastes, they're just harder to find because they aren't part of the mainstream nostalgia waves just yet.

Madness Combat 11 finally came out.

>>49
>>51
Yeah, give it another ~20 years, that's how the nostalgia cycle seems to go. Back in the '80s there was a wave of '50s nostalgia, with movies like Grease, '50s style diners like Johnny Rockets, etc. This decade has had a major '80s boom, with fashion trends like neon spandex and shutter shades, TV shows like Stranger Things, and music like synthwave.

>>1

>I don't get why beer and cigarettes caught on. They're both horrible for you and taste like dogshit on top of that.

They make you feel fucking spectacular, and they actually taste good depending on your tastebuds and the quality of the drugs you buy,

>I used to like populism but now I don't. Most people don't know enough about the world outside of the very narrow confines of their lives to know what's good enough for everyone else

I used to dislike populism for this same reason, but I've changed my mind, not exactly because I think the masses are actually qualified to govern themselves, but because I don't see how the so-called elites are any more qualified. Many of them don't know anything more about how to run a society than the average yokel, and most of the ones who are actually competent still tend to act in their own personal interest instead of seeing the bigger picture and working towards the greater good (e.g. Warren Buffett).

>I saw spiderverse the other day and it was really cool. I hope it starts a trend of 2.5 and 2D animation coming back in theaters in the west again

That has 2D animation? Hand drawn or flash shit? It looked like 3DCG shit to me based on the trailers, so I didn't go see it.

I don't wanna live in a hopeless recreation of the past, I wanna live in a version of the present that happens to be a nice time

Oh, and another reason beer and alcohol in general caught on is that, for all of human history before germ theory was developed and modern sanitization processes went mainstream, alcoholic drinks were often safer to drink than water because the fermentation process kills a lot of bad shit in the water.

For example, you know the story of Johnny Appleseed? He was an American folk hero who walked across the country sowing apple seeds wherever he went. Funny thing is, he was an actual person and not just a legend, but what they don't tell you in school is that the apple trees he planted weren't for eating or baking, they were crabapples used to make hard cider, and the reason he became famous in the first place was that he made it easier for a lot of 19th century Americans to turn their tainted water into something drinkable.

>>55
Spiderverse is technically 2D, but all of the 2D animation was rotoscoped from 3D models.

>>59
Interesting. may have to check it out.

I've made a game of going to self proclaimed "last bastions of free speech" and seeing how long it takes for me to get banned without spamming.

>>61
Where have you gotten banned so far?

>>61
"Free speech" just means "Nazis are here".

>>63
It's annoying really, the only places with real free speech just fill up with Nazis because they have nowhere else to go and talk about nazi things.

It's funny because once the Nazis take over they'll certainly drop any pretence of free speech.

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There's not enough 3D models of Japanese salary men from the early 2000s

>>65
>>64
>>63
>>62
"Nazis" don't exist outside of your heads.

spam is free speech, we've been over this.

Politics kills imageboards.

>>68
True. But there most certainly ARE nazi sympathizing reactionaries who pretend to advocate for free speech but in reality only want freedom for those who agree with them

Can't you take this pointless slapfight somewhere else? It's already like this in those places, take it there.

Pretending to be mature at a young age will only make you bounce back to childish behavior once you reach adult age

I really like the thread with the drunk nips sleeping but I don't want to ruin it

>>74
Ditto, that thread is amazing.

I feel like most of the people who say western animation is declining were never really that into western cartoons to begin with, seeing as most of the things people complain about have been around since at least the late 80s.

>>76
The overall drop in quality caused by not outsourcing to Japan anymore could arguably be called a decline, though that was many years ago at this point.

>>78
I'd argue it actually helped western cartoons getting back on track

Most of the shows that were outsorced to Japan were only good because the Japanese artists drew the bad designs and animated the crappy stories well enough that they felt better than they were.

Once all the major studios switched to Korean studios that basically just put the storyboards on model and inbetweened them, people were able to see which shows were actually good and which shows relied on the pretty pictures the Japanese drew.

>>79
Personally I don't like that modern western cartoons are so writer-driven and don't give a shit whether it looks good or not. That's the entire reason I watch anime instead.

>>80
I think the issue is more that the same style gets used for everything. If something like Rick and Morty or Ballmasterz were drawn more beautifully it wouldn't work with the types of stories they're trying to tell. But the likes of Steven Universe and Star Vs, which are trying to be cute should probably be drawn differently.

>>80
Personally, I started mainly watching anime because I was so bothered by how much of the field was on the leash of a handful of companies that made content in a similar set of formulas. Despite their quality of old and contributions to the craft, I don't like Disney, and their style of work is still the standard. I have similar feelings about Marvel and DC, with extra bitterness that no action cartoon/comic can exists without being in the shadow of those two companies.

Much of my love for cartooning came from comic strips. I really liked animation, and did like comic books, but I was always much more attached to Newspaper strips as far as my childhood went. I also dig independent animation, but it's way more difficult to do that nowadays despite the tools available.

I spent a lot of my formative years on the internet, wading through the knee-deep sewage that the content on /b/, /v/ and a few of the other more popular boards on 4chan was. I quit spending time on most of those original boards ages ago, and within the last six or seven months I began to lose the interest I had left in the boards that I still occasionally checked up on, and now I’ve gotten to the point where the only time I ever open the site is if someone I know links me something from it. I went from spending a notable portion of my days on these awful boards to the point where the site never enters my mind without a direct mention from another person in some form of conversation.

4chan was never a good place to be spending to be spending my time, and what made me end up there was an abundance of time, an internet connection, and the fact that I was seeing a number of things in graphic detail that I'd never entertained a thought of before. I attribute /b/ specifically as one of the most negative influences on my personality up until about the age of 16 or so. Spending a significant amount of time on that board is like bathing in a goop-y brown sludge of garbage, misogyny, sexual and masturbatory addiction, gore, vomit, piss, and anything else you could think of that has a repulsive feeling to it. The board is a gathering of social rejects, once upon a time it might have had some kind of faint camaraderie in that notion, but by the time I had started becoming a regular visitor, there was none of that left. The feeling of camaraderie or whatever you would call it had been replaced by either blatant pride in being someone whose form of entertainment is posting car crash and gore gifs, or someone who had given up on coming into any kind of remotely standard social position and decided that the only place they felt like they belonged was where any kind of fucked up individual could post. I ended up in this space as an impressionable adolescent and it left me with something of a "me and all the other rejects against the world" mindset for a while, the amount of time I had been spending in the trash heap had essentially desensitized me to severe violence, gore, your standard disgusting shock images, and about everything else that you could imagine. Racism, casual misogyny, homophobia, transphobia, anti-semitism, etc. also all had worked their way into my repertoire and they would stay there for a good amount of time.

Fortunately, I was coming out of my fucked up headspace by the time the irreversible events of gamergate, and later the 2016 election cycle, managed to eradicate most anything left of the few bright spots on the site. Imageboard discussion, which is still one of my favorite ways to communicate with people, was essentially stomped out through the flood of alt-right users and shills that began making their way onto the site in the wake of those events, it became nearly impossible to have a genuine conversation on any of the more widely used boards, because the sheer amount of overflow from users that should have been posting on /pol/ would spill onto other boards and ruin them with blatant shilling and attempts to dogwhistle or otherwise spread propaganda and other bullshit like that. 4chan was never a place where you could avoid casual homophobic and racist slurs even in the most cordial threads, but the sheer amount of posts being made in the threads with the goal of disruption or convincing of someone that the jews, black people, gay people, and others were scum of the earth and needed to be put down or put into slavery or other similar sentiments. Those two events were, in my eyes, the tipping points where it became clear that 4chan would steer directly into a monolith of bigotry larger than it had ever been before, and there was no coming back from that.

I don't regret my experience as a child on an imageboard, what I regret is my experience on 4chan specifically. I'm not going to pretend like my experiences that I had on them, at the time, were not something I enjoyed, but now I look back on them in disgust at the person I was, I think about how easily impressionable my mind was at the time and how it was like stepping on quicksand and sinking nearly to the bottom before I had people help me out of that debilitating mindset. I think about how it's in the biggest state of influence that it has ever been in, and that the same thing that happened to me when I was a 10, 11, 12 year old could very easily be happening to kids and teenagers right now. It's one of the most terrifying aspects of the modern internet, coming from someone who grew up on it.

>>82
Independent animation actually is increasingly becoming a thing online, in part thanks to Patreon and in part thanks to YouTube fixing their algorithm so that it promotes original content over reviews and gaming videos.

I'm not just talking about "storytime" channels by the way (which technically are animation), I'm also talking about channels like Sr Pelo and ScottFalco.

>>83
>I'm not going to pretend like my experiences that I had on them, at the time, were not something I enjoyed, but now I look back on them in disgust at the person I was
You sound like a fag.

>>83
The "alt-right" doesn't exist. It's a buzzword.
You sound like a complete fag.

4taba is getting less and less comfy.

>>87
It's inevitable. Things can only get worse.

>>87
Yeah, I noticed an influx of uncivil people who reference politics. I took a break from 4taba for less than 3 months and the change is jarring.

Either be civil about it or don't reference politics at all. Please.

>>89
I mean, it's really easy to change the face of 4taba by making new threads and replying to good ones to replace the front page with good threads.

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Sorry mane, these are my thoughts at the moment

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>>89
Literally everything is political. If you don't want politics, go fuck off into the woods and don't use the products of civilization.

While it's sad that there seems to be a slight push for less pleasant conversation, this is actually a great stress test for Taba-san's posting idea. We can see in real time how quickly would be arguments are quelled, how it could be taken advantage of, and its limitations. This is actually a nice opportunity to see 4taba's true power!

blame ccd0 and the retard who spams the site on /qa/ all day

>mom and sis returned from their vacations
>despair settles in
I was getting accostumed to attending my dad when it was needed and doing things on the house. I also liked not being surrounded by people and not having the TV turned on all the time.
>try browsing imageboards
>notice people saying newniggo stuff
>fall into despair since I have no home left, so calling them fags and telling them to fuck off seem rather pontless
I really fucking miss my home board, more than what I missed my mum and sis in this time they went on vacations
And I'm pretty sure I have something else in mind, but the apathy doesn't make me want to think that much.

>>83
Not sure if you're still around, but congratulations Anon! You've reached a point in your maturation that I'm still struggling with. Hope you gain from your choice to stay from a place you hate.

feces

Protests paralyze a city, and some person will invariably say 'This Will Certainly Have Bad Effects on the Economy'. Maybe I'm just stupid, but I don't think that's the most pressing matter.

I have lost all hope for imageboards if politics have made it here of all places. Jesus, does everything need to be about this?

really love spending half an hour on stackoverflow reading solutions to the wrong problem

Oh, yeah. Motherfucker, bichis' be ballin'

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Slayer is a pretty cool band

>>104
I agree. Unfortunately it seems these days no one appreciates Slayer they way they used to be appreciated.

Pleroma and Mastodon are okay. They’re not great and their not terrible. Pleroma I prefer because political posts are usually spoilered and rarely have much traction, bring easily ignorable. A lot of Japanese on both.

>>105
They're having a concert where I live but I have no job, no money, and I have to set my priorities on what to spend it on.
The same with King Crimson, though I stopped listening to their stuff two years ago. I guess I should just appreciate the music.

>>8
I'm more partial to Diaspora. The people there are largely pleasant and chill, even the Google+ refugees. The few overt jerks that exist on the network can be easily hidden and ignored. I've been on there a year and there's only one tag I really needed to hide. In return, I get a whole tone of neat photos and illustrations/paintings.

>>108
Diaspora is fine but it's pretty much all FOSS enthusiasts and largely western-centric. I'm not really into that but I understand why people might like that.

i'm stressed and listening to the sims 2 soundtrack
>>70
agree

>>79
It seems to me that, while there were tons of great children's (And adults') cartoons just 10-20 years ago, there's nothing I'd waste my time with today. It may just be nostalgia, but just compare Ed, Edd, and Eddy, Dexter's Lab, King of the Hill, old Spongebob, etc to the crap on today, like Steven Universe, Family Guy, Teen Titans Go, etc.

>>111
Very cool numbers!

As someone who too grew up with 90s cartoons (as well as some 80s cartoons that used to re-air during the 90s), I view this a little differently.
Dexter's, KOTH and SpongeBob I love and still love, but I also enjoyed watching the few Steven Universe episodes I saw on TV a few years back. Mind you that I didn't know about any stories of some of the creators putting their political views into the show at that point, so it was fairly unbiased watching. It doesn't come close to the cartoons I grew up with - probably because of the nostalgia bonus for those - but I still liked it. Family Guy I never enjoyed or found funny in the least, but I guess I can kind of see how some people like it. Teen Titans Go I haven't even seen a single episode of, but that one to me looks like it's aimed at very young children from 3 to 8 at max.

As for quality of animation, I think it's fair to say that TTG is sort of close to the style of Dexter / PPG, all of which use very simplistic animation, though most likely as a deliberate style. Family Guy definitely stands no chance against KOTH. Steven Universe I'm not even sure how to categorize - perhaps close to SpongeBob in terms of actual effort? Although the thing with SU is that it's using your standard overused CalArts templates for a lot of designs, which I assume is one of the reasons a lot of people dislike it.

All of that just regarding the aforementioned shows. I too think that cartoons as a whole and in general for sure got lazier in regards to production-quality. ESPECIALLY after Cel Animation died, which I think is even more noticeable with anime.
As for their content, I really can't say if they got worse or more "unoriginal" in the last 1 or 2 decades, it's hard to make out for me.

>>111
>>112
As someone who was born after most of the people here, I honestly think it's a generational thing. I grew up in the late 2000s and early 2010s, and from my perspective cartoons are the best they've ever been.

>>49

>>114
This shit happens every generation, because human beings are apparently retards who can't into pattern recognition. The world isn't getting worse, it's just changing too fast for you to be able to relate to it.

>>114
The 2000s mainstream(tv, popular music, etc) was a godawful wasteland, but it was a really good time for internet culture. Nostalgia for that eras TV is retarded, but I cant begrudge someone nostalgia for flash, forums, etc.

>>114
The late 2000s is underrated. There was a fuckton of great web mmos, people were getting really creative with flash sites, and the animators putting out in the first half of the decade had honed their craft to the point where you could easily find things that far outclassed TV quality animation on youtube and newgrounds

Hey, everyone. I'm slowly trying to phase the internet out of my life since I spend a significant portion of my waking hours on it and books stimulate my mind better.

Thank you for having me.

>>114
I'm pretty sure there are many anons who can't be nostalgic exactly for a decade since the entertainment they indulged in was coming from many sides: I remember specifically owning a bootleg NES with those 50000000 in 1 cartridges, an N64, a Dreamcast that got my sister mad with me because I've broken it, and a Wii, but I don't feel much nostalgic about the Wii despite playing with it at the age of 11, while the others may have been before 11.
I even specifically remember writing a card to santa in a school class, wishing for a PS2 while my sister wanted the Wii.
I still want a PS2 today, kind of.

>>113
I'm probably the same age. Cartoons are the worst they've ever been.

>>120
Why do you think that? Genuinely asking

>>121
Because I browse /co/ and everything new looks shit. The big hitters of this age are shit like Steven Universe, Star Vs, and Gravity Falls.
No new cartoons look good. Most of the Cartoon Cartoons were good, CN still had some good stuff up until early AT and RS, Nick had tons of great stuff in the '90s and still had some decent stuff later, like AtLA, even Disney had some good things. Not to mention aquired shit like Totally Spies, TMNT 2003, etc. It may just be nostalgia, but I really loved cartoons as a kid, including reruns, and could go back and enjoy most of them today.

>>113
>>120
>>121
>>122
I honest think it's just a difference of opinion. The only actually objectively bad era of western animation was the 70s through the early 80s. Everything made before and after, even if you don't like it, still has something that you can use to defend its quality.

>>123
>The only actually objectively bad era of western animation was the 70s through the early 80s.
examples?

>>123
>The only actually objectively bad era of western animation was the 70s through the early 80s
Why though?

>>123
I know you're just talking about the '70s Hanna-Barbera, but I think calling it all bad it a bit of a stretch. Scooby-Doo (And even the rip-offs) are legitimately good, even though the animation itself is lacking.

>>124
Things like Hanna Barbara's endless ripoffs of their of own shows, filmation's poorly drawn (and worse written) comic book and later toy advertisements, and ruby-spears wannabe versions of the first two

>>125
Because there's not an aspect you can say was generally good and have others agree with you. Even if you hate 2010s cartoons for example one can at least say they can get away with deeper themes now than they could before. With 70s/early 80s cartoons there really isn't a defendable aspect.

>>126
Of course not. Depatie Freleng put out a bunch of great shows back then, and some of HB's shows are genuine classics. It's more a matter of ratio. For every Scooby Doo or Josie and the Pussy Cats you had ten Speed Buggies.

Also, I'm not just talking about HB. Filmation was a pretty consistent supplier of mediocrity since the 60s and continued being shit into the 70s and 80s, and there were a bunch of other minor studios that basically just copied HB and filmation

Steven's Unveirse is the evangelin of western cartoons

>>114
What I'm really nostalgic for from the 2000s is the brief time where eroge was the driving cultural influence.

>>128
Rick and Morty is the actual western Eva, all the way down to the fake depth and shitty pretentious fanbase

>>128
>>130
Both of those shows are shit and should never be compared with Eva, no matter how overrated Eva is.
At least it's fucking decent.

I am slightly disappointed that the zoomer shit made it here.

I really hate NTR and I wish anonymous would shut the fuck up about it, both because they like it and they hate it.

The common 4chan anon today is:

- extremely paranoid, believing that there's a tranny, chink, gook, autist or weeb hiding behind every post, yet unable to explain the nature and relevance of these bogeymen (redditors are no longer invoked much, probably because most anons ARE redditors)

- frequently making a very big deal about thinking they recognize someone from another thread, yet unable to explain why it matters so much

- easily swept up in inexplicable mass hysterias like obsessing over height beyond the point of any reason, agitating against asians without having any apparent motive for doing so, and spending a lot of time thinking deeply about hapas (what is it with 4chan and asians? I don't know and neither does anyone else)

- pants-shittingly enraged by anything anime-related, insistent that all of it is the dark work of "weebs" and must be "contained" on /a/ so normal people don't have to be exposed to its "degeneracy"

- completely ignorant of anime and only able to express something resembling an opinion of it by cycling through a few words and prases that he has zero understanding of

- deeply hostile to anything japanese in general, insistent that all of it is "weebshit"

- often pushing political agendas in the manner that a paid shill might (dumping the same images and repeating the same talking points over and over in one thread after another, impervious to any counter-arguments)

- absolutely dishonest with no principles or integrity of any description, only concerned with trying to score cheap victories for the moment

- apparently trying to bait, or something, by continuously reposting random threads

- very concerned about not giving (you)s to those who don't deserve them, almost as if they were treating them like upvotes or something (hmm)

- extremely narcissistic

- always looking to turn anything into an us vs. them state of war, even something as inane as americans with air conditioning vs. europeans without it

- of low intelligence, borderline illiterate, with little formal or informal education or knowledge of anything except the latest talking points and buzzwords

- unable to learn and retain new information of any value

- lacking any personality and any capacity to think original thoughts

- mentally ill (schizophrenia is common on 4chan)

Additionally, the staff are very hostile to the users, have a clear anti-anime bias (notable, given what 4chan is supposed to be), exhibit very erratic behavior, and only "communicate" via IRC where they'll ignore or kick anyone who talks to them. Recently they've started banning people for "replying to off-topic garbage," without telling them what post it was, and without having any discernible criteria for what they think constitutes an off-topic thread. (Talking about a TV show on /tv/? That's off-topic. Talking about kneesocks and traps on /g/? Enjoy your stay.) Hiroshimoot gives zero fucks about the site except for its ad revenue, and almost never makes his presence known.

tl;dr: 4chan is bad

>>133
FUCKING NIGGER WEEBSHIT TRANNY!! IM NOT REDDIT I ONLY USE 4CHAN BOARD ON REDDIT NICE SAMEFAGG FAGGOT1!!!!!1!

>>133
Well yeah screw 4chan. Haven't been there in ages now, no reason to.
At this point it really is a glorified reddit that teens browse to feel "cool".

how do I get the girl in my class to stop ranting about organized religion. That's literally all she does when she's not bitching about depression

>>136
I’m sure she’ll love to hear that organized religion is often therapeutic and a good support system for the depressed.

I will never understand microblogging platforms like Twitter, Pleroma, Mastodon etc. What is the point? It kind of reminds me of this thread except with a lot more hot air and an element of Unwarranted Self Importance, why would people care what you think to the point where they “follow” you to see more of your opinions or thoughts. It feels like something people would write in a journal and not share with anyone before the internet a lot of the time.

>>138
To my limited understanding, Twitter was supposed to be a site for Professionals? They would post short updates to a large group of customers easily, pointing them to their services.

Though I think its mass popularity (For Twitter in particular) is more due to intellectual laziness than anything else. While longer blogs ARE the thoughts and feelings of their poster, they often require more effort to both read and write, and one can actually include references in their post, thus giving the reader more room to point out inconsistencies. A micro blog takes seconds to read, seconds to write, and you get the most undeveloped, emotional, and "hot" opinions possible. Emotional writing is much easier to read than thought out writing. I think this is less true of Mastodon, though I can't speak for Pleroma since I have not used it.

> It feels like something people would write in a journal
I know this feeling, and I still don't get it. I used some blogging site, but the bulk of my writing about myself is in either a physical journal, or a text file on my computer.

>>139
Sometimes I think the format of sites like mastodon is actually really great if they'd just emphasize the concept of "threads" more. They actually have most of the capability of threads but it's just kind of buried under everything else to the point where even when people intend to comment to a long discussion they seem to just put their post wherever, sometimes it doesn't even go inside the thread at all.
Based on the way most people use those sites as long as they put the correct @user nobody seems to care if there's any intelligible hierarchy to it.

Having a site that strongly emphasized threads but borrowed a lot of ideas from twitter/mastodon could be decent.

>>131
Eva is mediocre but because a bunch of weebs saw it when they were kids with no taste they thought it was good and proceeded to convince the world it was amazing

Rick and Morty is mediocre but because a bunch of weebs saw it when they were adults with no taste they thought it was bad and proceeded to convince the world it was awful

>>133
Most of the post was right, except for the weeb part. The bulk of 4chan posts are shitposts accompanied by images of anime girls

>>137
That only applies to churches in places where nobody cares about the religious part anymore.

>>141
Stupid post.

>>133
Most of these are exagerated by you and really seem like issues with /pol/, which does need to be cleansed of redditors.
Really, /pol/, /news/, /bant/, and /int/ should be spun off into another website. /pol/ with only political flags, /news/ as a more proper imageboard (And perhaps they could have some real textboards, too) and both /bant/ and /int/ keeping the flags.

>>145
The biggest problem is that everyone crossboards now, and I honestly don’t know what to tell you if you think this is just /pol/, I see this everywhere even on slow obscure boards like /h/. And the fact the moderation is actively adversarial to the userbase which has been documented countless times, most recently and notably for this very website are the moderators killing 4/qa/. It’s time to let go and let hobbyist boards reign, with 8gag down the time for that is now, even the bunkers for some of the 8gag boards I used to read are better than when they were on the site.

>>139
From my experience, Pleroma is very close to Mastodon in functionality but doesn't federate with most Mastodon instances for political reasons or because Mastodon users are afraid of lolicon or something.
Kiwi Farms and Gab setting up shop on Pleroma pretty much turned them into two separate services, I think that is literally it. They both seem functionally the same.
This kind of silly political divides is one of the issues with open source projects.

As for the topic, I don't get microblogging either.

I like being an idiot, you can shit all over yourself and find it entertaining.

>>144
No, it's a smart post, you just don't agree with it.

>>149
I don't agree with it because it's stupid.

>>150
As is Eva. It's just like R&M, where people only say it's smart because it presents itself as such. The only difference is that Eva looks really good, making the show feel better made than it actually is.

>>147
It federates with Pawoo so the rest don't really matter.

>>151
It really doesn’t present itself as smart, even the staff said a lot of the symbolism is there because it looks cool.
Can’t you enjoy sexual tension, giant robots/organics and good fights/angst? It’s all an anime needs and I think the movie outweighs any of the blemishes the series has.

A random thought I had: I think it’s funny that nearly every website related to Japanese culture has a discussion about how EVA isn’t that good. Dead textboards, /a/s that have so few posts they can’t fill 3 pages, forums, etc. I hold no strong opinions about the series one way or another but I find it funny that people are still talking about it almost 3 decades later, but comparing it to Rick and Morty is a travesty.

>>153
Evangelion discussion is irreparably damaged by age-old memes and myths. Their image of what it is becomes twisted that what people end up disparaging is a caricature of the original series. It's a bit of a shame, since Evangelion is a great anime in its own right.

>>153
I don't know why people fucking despise R&M so much. It's not high art but it's not supposed to be. It's just a fun grossout show with a sci-fi theme.

>>155
It's the pretentious writing and the post season 1 fanbase

>>156
It makes reference to a lot of concepts far deeper than the show itself, sure, but I wouldn't call a show with a character called Mr. Poopybutthole pretentious.

>>155
I just don't like that kind of humour.

Disliking a show based on it‘s fanbase is absolutely retarded. Just look at how cringe anime fans are. Don‘t be that guy.
Disliking it due to it‘s humor is no issue however.

>>160
People never do this. They usually dislike it before and then the retarded fanbase makes it unbearable, which is perfectly valid.

>>161
Yeah they do. I've seen it happen first hand on multiple occasions. An e-celeb shits on something and says all the fans of it are #cringe, and then everyone starts parroting them.

>>162
It's not the youtuber that starts the trend of shitting on a fanbase though. Sonic fans for example, have been cyber bullied since the early days of livejournal/deviantART. Then years and years later a tuber looks at dramatica pages (probably found the site by searching their own name on google and seeing their ed article as the first result), and knows they'll make a quick 100 grand by talking about internet weirdos their fans haven't heard of. And it works, because idiots and women love watching documentaries on serial killers/eccentrics.

Now today with the popularity of yt channels like OneyPlays (a has-been 2010 era newgrounder that talks about lawlcows a lot in his LPs), making commentaries on infamous internet weirdos is popular again; or at least, for now. 8ch and Dramatica are already down, and kf has been under attack for a while (https://kiwifarms.net/threads/site-compromised-10-sep-2019.60744/). lolcow.farm is the only cow discussion place I can think of that hasn't been viciously attacked, although if you've ever been there it makes sense why. That side of the internet is probably going to get erased off the net completely by 2020 (tor doesn't count), so nu-commentators like deadwingdork won't have any material to work with.

>>163
This post makes no sense in the context of the conversation and even less sense in the context of itself but okay

>>163
The lolcow crowd is cancer, so good.

>>163
8ch got dropped (not shut down) because it was a PR disaster for cloudflare, ED dies every other week, and Kiwi Farms got compromised because Null's a retard who doesn't know how to run a website.

>>165
This. They're a bunch of autists shitting on other autists to make themselves feel better.

>>164
Well >>162 was talking about attacking fandoms and "cringe culture" so it does relate.

I think if I one day learned that I was going to die imminently, I'd just sleep through it.

I keep seeing weird reactionary youtube channels with names like "liberty truth" and "real news", and a weird trend I've noticed is that they love making appeals to popularity, despite constantly reminding you that they're the little guy fighting against the mainstream

No, I don't care that the majority thinks the moon landing was a hoax or that the earth is flat. The majority used to think that life came from literally nowhere, believed in witchcraft, and thought that diseases were a result of bad smells. The majority only parrots what it's told.

I'm not going to take the word of a bunch of dipshits who eat tidepods as fact. I'm going to listen to a scientist or a historian or someone else who actually knows what he's talking about. And even then, I'm not going to take it as gospel because what we've known to be fact has been disproved before.

I hate this shit

>>169
The moon landing wasn't a hoax?

>>166
I find it odd that autistic people tend to in-fight and try to embarrass each-other when you’d think they’d have some sort of neuroatypical solidarity against the norms.
>>169
It’s all just noise and infighting to me.

>>170
I doubt it was because it would've required tech from decades into the future to be doable in a convincing way.

Even then, I haven't seen proof either way, just tons of evidence. And even if I had all the evidence in the world of something being true, I won't believe it unless I have actual proof that it is. So as far as I know the moon could be full of cheese.

i hate jojo so goddamn much

>>173
I just hate it's godawful fanbase. They feel the need to insert themselves into literally everything

>>174
Pretty much this, the anime isn‘t any good either, but these fucking teen fans.. end me.

>>174
Here's a game: Go to any newgrounds reanimate collaboration (Spongebob "Help Wanted" collab, Courage "Freaky Fred" Reanimated, etc.), and every time there's a random out of place jojo reference, drink a shot of rat poisoning

I am indifferent to Jojo.

>>173
It's sad to me that people's impression of Jojo is colored by annoying casuals and a mediocre anime adaptation. The manga is quite good.

Is anime really as mainstream as I keep seeing people say now? Where do you see the evidence of that?
General growth doesn't necessarily equal mainstream.

Isn't the fact that you still think a huge part of the population (big enough to complain about) is these cancerous chuuni's a sign that actually it's still not mainstream?
In my opinion that kind stuff is the first to go when something goes mainstream. The mark of mainstream is the overinflated sense of something being cool, mature, and self-aware. It puts a microscope over everything and shines a light into all the dark corners.
I don't think we're there yet, and ironically I think those teens are a sign of good health.

>>179
There's mainstream "awareness", in that most people know what anime is. Most people, however, are not into anime. For some reason people think that the popularity of a couple of shonen jump anime adaptations among normalfags represent a change to that, despite it being the same thing as Narutards a decade ago.

>>180
I think people forget how much anime there is. If you scale the number of anime that get popular in the west to the number of anime total, you'll realize it's still very much underground here.

In a weird way, I'm glad it's not that popular here. There's something about the idea of anime being mainstream that makes me deeply uncomfortable.

>>181
>There's something about the idea of anime being mainstream that makes me deeply uncomfortable.
...I'm just now realizing that we're all closet hipsters here, aren't we

>>181
Yeah, I'm fine with that, and I don't think that will ever change unless the content shifts dramatically, which I don't think will happen. The worst I expect is having to read a few more awful opinions about some breakout hit shounen anime.

>>181
Same thing with fetishes people rage about, stuff like netorare, scat, ryona, bestiality makes up 0.8% of gelbooru, just ignore it.

I find it funny that about 80% of loliposters on mainstream imageboards like 4chan are all under the age of 16

>>185
How do you know that?

>>185
Are there any mainstream (western) imageboards these days besides 4chan?

>>187
Depends on what you mean by western. I think Dvach is pretty big in Russia, and there's probably a big spanish speaking imageboard too. But in the english speaking internet there's none since 8chan closed.

>>186
Most posters are underage on 4chan, he's probably extrapolating from that.

>>129
>What I'm really nostalgic for from the 2000s is the brief time where eroge was the driving cultural influence.
It was? How so?

The fighting over NTR in a lot of places related to anime & manga is kind funny. On one hand, it's fairly benign (a lot of NTR is just a side plot that can be ignored, to the point where the guy getting NTR'd often doesn't even have a face) compared to stuff like snuff and amputee but at the same time I seriously doubt that in almost any other type of community something that often gets translated as "cuckold" and carries that connotation (yes, I know it also can mean "to take away", but https://ehwiki.org/wiki/netorare refers to it as such and is pretty much the authority on hentai in the west) would not be mocked to oblivion. I understand that human sexuality can oftentimes be difficult to understand and oftentimes disgusting but I just can't see things commonly said like "netorare is fine if you self-insert as the girl/alpha" and "netorare is awesome! the alpha is getting the girl for once" being tolerated if you replaced with "netorare" with "cuckold porn". I understand it's emotional sadomasochism but it's fucking weird, especially since a lot of people who don't hate it say it's "realistic" and similar things in a medium where hyper futa neko lolis aren't uncommon.
All in all, >>184 is right, when filtering cosplay, western, asian porn etc NTR makes 4.7% of sadpanda's results. It's a very niche fetish that should just be ignored like everything else that people hate, I don't understand why it is discussed so much and why it is so divisive.

>>189
There's two ways I feel that eroge, particularly ero VNs, had cultural influence outside of their own soaring success in the wake of Kanon.
The first way is through anime adaptations. A few significant ones are Utawarerumono, ToHeart, Yosuga no Sora, and, again, Kanon. But even without the major hits, many anime in any given season would be ero VN adaptations.
Possibly because VN players would have also been PC fanatics at the time, since the market hadn't yet moved to consoles completely, online culture has also been influenced by eroge in many ways.
For a few examples that broke into mainstream western web culture, likely ignorant of the context, the famous "caramelldansen" is taken from a clip from an eroge opening, specifically Popotan. As well, the opening to Nursery Rhyme was a major fad on Nicovideo that got some attention in the west as well.
I'm rambling a bit, but there's some further reading you can find here.
http://vnchan.blogspot.com/search/label/historyoferoge

>>192
That guy fucks

>>193
I aspire to be like him.

>>190
It's a result of western values regarding self worth. In the west, you're expected to try and assert your dominance over everyone else and make yourself the center of everything. If you don't put yourself above the crowd, you're seen as a failure or a waste.

This applies to sexuality as well. If you're not sexually dominant, you're a loser, and if you actively choose to not be sexually dominant than there must be something wrong with you.

>>190
A good deal of it is insecurity. For some it hits too close to home. To them it is a horror scenario, one the thought of which shatters their Rance utopia fantasy land where they are king and can do as they please; losing control scares them.

My favorite era of cartoons was the very particular period from 2008 to 2015, starting with the creation of Flapjack and ending with the second season of Steven Universe. That seven year period produced some of the most creative, boundary pushing cartoons ever made.

Shows made in that time were edgier than shows made before and WAY edgier than the ones made after (remember when Regular Show got away with showing realistic guns?), with both creators and networks realizing that kids aren't pussies.

They were also allowed to get a lot weirder a lot more high minded, and a lot more complex in their subject matter. Early Adventure Time did most of its worldbuilding with subtle implications and background details, the first season of Gravity Falls had mysteries that even kept adults guessing, ect.

Sadly, that approach to making shows slowly died out, with all of the edge being sanded down with political correctness, advante-garde art and writing falling into formula, and high-minded themes being removed in a misguided attempt to make more money.

>>196
I think I understand why people don’t like it, but I’m still struggling to understand the burning hatred nor why a fetish this niche is brought up a lot.. It’s cuckold porn and emotional sadomasochism at its core, and that has its appeal to certain. While personally I think 2D should be a fantasy land where the reader is king, it is discussed way more than a niche fetish like it usually is, and I guess it being a horror scenario to some explains why it is brought up so often.
I don’t see the appeal personally, again, isn’t it (2D media) generally being a fantasy world you can escape into the whole appeal? I’ve seen other posts like yours (albeit, on a normalfag website) when looking for discussion about the appeal and people either violently hated it or were smug about those who hated it being afraid of reality and those who liked it are afraid of reality and want to stay in their plot armor cocoon or something (even though the appeal to most people is escaping reality, there’s enough shit like in that real world). Control is also another interesting point, I will need to think more about that, as my distaste for it is certainly not about control (although I will admit that certain VN NTR doujins have invoked nausea and jealousy in me) but I don’t know if that’s exactly wrong either.
I’m not sure for the other NTR haters but I read it a lot and I definitely don’t like it but I feel like I should so people don’t call me a fragile vanillafag, so I’ve been reading more than usual and I guess I’m just not a sadomasochist. It makes me feel nauseous and lose my erection, I’ll force myself to like it one day.
Thanks for answering about those who hate it, I think I understand a little better; to a lot of people it’s antithetical to the entire medium.
>>195
I think this is more what i’ve thought from what I’ve seen, especially from those who like it. Most people who enjoy it who don’t want to be a cuckold or admit that say they’re self inserting as the alpha, even though most of the time they’re fat faceless old men where the whole appeal of the fetish is that it’s humiliating to the person losing the girl. Even though a lot of ntr fans claim they don’t self insert, a lot of people subconsciously identify with characters, and I think it’s the same as people shitting on MCs meant to be relatable to otaku, westerners applying their own standards of masculinity to another culture. But the whole “beta mc” (which despite wolves not even actually using that system in the wild) thing is a discussion for another time.

This topic is both uncomfortable and interesting.

>>198
As someone who does like it I'll just say that those intense (negative) feelings you describe are exactly the aspect of it that some people like.

Think of it like bestiality porn. It's like most people who ever even check that stuff out at all are doing it because they've become bored with normal porn or whatever.
It's sort of the same principle, that when you no longer feel strongly about normal fantasies and realize that there's still intense emotions/feelings to be had by diving into stuff like NTR is becomes attractive.

I can also say that NTR faps are hands down some of the most amazing I've ever had in my life. It's like discovering masturbation for the first time again. Literally the kind of shit that leaves you shaking.
It makes sense too when you ask how a man is supposed to react to jealousy. Evolution didn't program you to cry about it. It's a misconception that NTR is about that sad feeling. It's not. Evolution programmed you to get a shot of adrenaline in those kinds of situations because in reality you're probably supposed to go fight the other guy and steal the girl.
That intense adrenaline feeling is what people find addictive about NTR, and that's all it is.

>>198 >>199
Also for the record, it seems to me that probably 90% of NTR doujins end up with the guy getting the girl at the end anyway, if that helps.
Most of them are like half NTR and half the mc and the girl hooking up

>>199
Since you do like it, can I ask what you think of the “delicious tears” people on /h/ or sadpanda comments whenever someone says something negative about it? I never understood why people felt the need to shitpost about fetishes.

Also, I’m glad you acknowledged half of the appeal is the negative feelings that come from it and that it’s not some hyper masculine power fantasy.

NTR feels like you’re doing a drug with how you feel like shit after.

>>199
NTR isn't fucking bestiality though. It's not a weird thing. People shouldn't be weirded out by it.

>>203
Most people are weirded out about cuckold porn, it’s not a normal thing either.

Raiding Area 51 is the best popular meme in a while tbh

>>198
I'm not the typical NTR consumer, it's more that I'm into cheating, old men, gangbangs, housewives, mind break, ahegao, rape, mothers and so on which often has crossover with NTR so I encounter it semi-frequently. At first while fapping to me it was kind of a voyeuristic thing where I'm just observing people having sex, however as time went by I began to develop somewhat homoerotic fantasies in the form of either:

1. imagining myself as the "alpha" (unsure what the correct Japanese term is) exerting my dominance through sexual energy over other men/boys, "putting them in their place" so-to-speak (somewhat similar to the feminization fetish, though I'm not attracted to traps) with preferable close contact where I or the girl order them around or hold them in some manner while fucking the girl (perhaps pushing their head near the genital action) and so on, you get the idea.

2. or imagining myself as the one being NTR'd, taking the role of the one who is being "put in his place". I don't feel a hint of jealousy, for me it's just a pure dominance/submission thing in both cases which makes me really horny. One doujin example I can think of is a Taimanin Yukikaze doujin, where Yukikaze's brother watches Yukikaze have sex with orcs and then is seduced by Yukikaze's mother, whose pussy was deformed from orc cock, to have sex with her. In the end he becomes a sex slave with the purpose of satisfying Yukikaze's and her mother's orc pregnancy derived sexual urges. That doujin was incredibly hot to me.

I'd wager it's connected to my femdom fetish. Not sure if it's gay, it's not that I desire men I just desire sexually competing with them.

>>206
Meant to say Yukikaze's boyfriend.

>>206
Mother NTR is the worst.

>>201
>can I ask what you think of the “delicious tears” people on /h/ or sadpanda comments whenever someone says something negative about it?
I dunno, I don't pay much attention to comments when I'm fapping. But I guess it just sounds like normal internet ego. Like "u mad bro?" anytime you put down something someone else likes.

>Also, I’m glad you acknowledged half of the appeal is the negative feelings that come from it and that it’s not some hyper masculine power fantasy.
Well that's me personally. But I agree completely that a certain type of NTR is all about that jealousy and it's obvious since the guy getting ntr'd is usually faceless while the "alpha" has an ugly, smug, shit eating grin (which is actually a turn off for me). But it shows pretty clearly that the people creating those NTR doujins intend for the beta to be the self-insert.

However, there are other types of NTR. I think sometimes they're actually even classified like "Type A" and "Type B". There's some NTR that's basically just straight rape and gang bang fantasies, they show the girl crying and screaming and the MC invites his friends over and they all molest her and shit. That type has no kind of jealousy or anything. In my opinion they're totally different things but they all get called NTR.
So I could believe people who are into that more violent rape type might say it's all about self-inserting as an alpha. But I wouldn't believe someone who said that about the other type.
If I'm searching for NTR I usually have to filter out "rape" and "group" tags. I hate that shit.

>>209
Your point about NTR having different "types" is actually showcased pretty well in the difference between your and >>206 's posts. I agree with the idea that is intended to bring out negative feelings from the "beta", and that people imply otherwise are either in denial about liking that kind of porn and are just trying to save face when others are insulting something they like or are into the other "type" of NTR and someone else has had different experiences with it as the NTR tag doesn't tell you much as it can be a single page at the beginning talking to a faceless "beta" to having a shota talk to the girl inbetween sex scenes, to fully watching the deed with or without masturbation, to multi volume-length buildups "bait and switch" (which I find misleading as they are tagged as such, so you know there's gonna be NTR). like Tachibana or Milk Dip.
Finally
>the "alpha" has an ugly, smug, shit eating grin (which is actually a turn off for me)
>If I'm searching for NTR I usually have to filter out "rape" and "group" tags. I hate that shit.
Interesting, a lot of those, more specifically ugly, smug guys are meant to be degrading to the woman and humiliating to the reader. Drugs, rape and group are similar things, although like you said, its more it's own thing. I think drugs are kind of a copout in these kind of stories, when half of the appeal is that huge cocks turn girls into psychopaths and being inferior and such.
>>199
This is an interesting point, I never thought of it like that. It makes sense that controversial, intense and even strange some time fetishes would be for people who are tired of porn. The fact you get adrenaline rushes from it also makes sense, especially bringing the idea of evolutionary instincts into it, the appeal is starting to make sense. Another evolutionary idea is that in certain works the idea of the "alpha" being "genetically superior". It's an interesting contrast between the primal anger and adrenaline you feel and the civility that stops you from fighting the other guy, Considering adrenaline junkies are a thing, >>202 makes an interesting allegory, do you feel lingering negativity after finishing?

On another website, there was a discussion about how certain people can't stand lovey dovey shit and can only get off to negative stuff like NTR from a mix of disgust, anger and childish jealously, which can be from a mix of being bitter and feeling unlovable. It really depends on the consumer, I suppose, as there are multiple angles from which it can be enjoyed (or hated).
There's definitely a case to be made about the appeal from multiple angles, but it also depends on the intensity as the NTR tag doesn't always tell you the whole story
There are some interesting discussions to be had about the psychology of it but considering how touchy it is to most anons as most people aren't sadomasochists and find it disgusting. Frankly, I don't enjoy it that much but I'm starting to see the appeal and the hatred of it. Interesting little niche fetish.

>210
>do you feel lingering negativity after finishing?
Sometimes yes. I mentioned in an earlier post that when it's most intense it can literally leave me shaking (I'm guessing from adrenaline or something) and I can "feel" the whole mood of it for hours afterward.
It was pretty weird when I first got into it. Started to make me wonder if I was really messing myself up mentally or something. Now I just don't give a shit.
But it's also not like an every day thing. I get into it for maybe a few days a month or so.

It's kind of like standing on the edge of a cliff. When I go down that rabbit hole it can't just be a little bit because that's pointless. You really just have to go all in to get anything worthwhile out of it, and most of the time I'm not ready for that.
But when I am it's fucking great.

>>204
It should by all rights be a more normal concept though. We live in a world where people feel just fine fapping to inflation, vore, giantesses, and farts, but apparently NTR is considered to be too much.

I am not into NTR myself by the way. I'm just trying to make sense of why people make such a big stink about it.

>>212
Vore, giantess and farts are maligned just as well. They’re just not as common.

When did people just decide rage face image macros weren't "cool anymore"

>>214
I don’t think people woke up and stop using them, hotter fads just appeared and they were forgotten.

>>214 >>215
Pretty sure it was because reddit started using them.

>>213
Why aren't rape, incest and monstrous bestiality (tentacle monsters, aliens, orcs, etc.) maligned?

What >>216 said, also during 2012-2013 you couldn't walk outside without seeing 12 yr olds with "U MAD" t-shirts. It's really the same for fandoms. Once something gets big it gets annoying

>>217
Because in the 2D world rape and incest often end up being wholesome and enjoyable, and people don’t mind tentacles because they’re considered better than fat old men which is where orcs and aliens fall.

>>219
Rape? Wholesome? In which series is rape wholesome?

>>220
This one. https://exhentai.org/g/968434/49889d7534/

>>220

Every time I visit twitter it reminds me how much I hate people in general. You have SJWs and Alt-Right dipshits acting like they're both being held down by the man but are also the secret majority and everyone agrees with their side they just won't admit it, people acting like e-celebs having an argument is not only something worth caring about but also important to sociaty as a whole for god knows what reason, dumbass political posts wedged between sonic fanart, dumbass political posts made by people you thought you respected, dumbasses acting like watching anime over cartoons or playing games on PC instead of console is paramount to a political opinion, and lots more bullshit that makes me angrier and angrier every time I see it.

Every time I leave that site it feels like I live in a south park episode.

>>223
>Every time
Why do you keep going back? I have no doubt that's exactly the same kind of frustrations I would feel, and I knew that when twitter first started, so I never go there, or any other similar sites such as facebook.

There's a strange "air" about those environments that's difficult to express.
I say that because even though I literally never visit those places, and I'm willfully ignorant of everything that goes on there, I can still just feel their presence when they begin dominating a site like 4chan, and somehow there is no doubt in my mind exactly where it's coming from.
It's a weird kind of energy they bring.

>>221
Firstly, that's reverse rape which is a different genre from the rape I'm talking about (male on female). I never had any doubt that wholesome reverse rape existed.

Secondly, reverse rape is too obscure to be maligned (though shitting on femdom has been gaining some traction unfortunately). On the other hand games, doujinshi and OVAs that feature male on female rape appear to be hugely popular on 4chan (unless it's just a vocal minority but I sincerely doubt it given the amount of rape memes that are manufactured). I can maybe count less than a dozen instances of seeing someone shit on rape directly (usually they're instead shitting on ugly men, gangbangs and so on).

>>224
The reason I keep going back is because all the artists flocked there for some reason. If you're into art it's basically impossible to avoid Twitter. What sucks the most is that people on Twitter know basically nothing about art, yet also seem to consider themselves authorities on it.

>>223
Since you browse imageboards I'm guessing you're into/draw that pseudo anime art style. Listen, just be glad you're not a furry, that's all I'm saying

>>229
That's actually part of the problem. Anime fans on twitter are the biggest dickheads in the universe. They act like 4/v/ users who spend all day on youtube.

>>230
Honestly I think you should just quit twitter and continue to practice drawing until twitter inevitably dies

I accidentally broke something in my dad's house and blamed it on my four year old brother. Now my father is having a breakdown/ranting at my brother. I feel like such an asshole.

>>232
Come forward about it. Your dad might get mad at you, but you as an adult are in a better position than he is as a very young child.

>>232
Don't listen to >>233, your brother will forget about it soon anyways, and it'll probably end up being a moral building experience for him.

>>232
If you're not willing to own up, the only correct move is to stand up for your brother. You were obviously wrong to blame him, but someone volatile enough to angrily rant at a 4 year old for something so simple shouldn't be around kids anyway. People that young sometimes don't understand that adults, especially parents, can be wrong or bad so you should let him know that he was right and your dad was wrong (probably avoid the whole truth though, the last thing he needs is to feel like his whole family is against him). If you can you should also confront your dad about venting anger on children.

>>234
Could you explain how being punished by someone you can't escape for reasons you don't understand is a moral building experience?

>>235
>but someone volatile enough to angrily rant at a 4 year old for something so simple shouldn't be around kids anyway
Okay I have to admit it was a major fuckup on my part (broke something he just fixed). The situation is a little more complicated than what you think, but whatever. Obviously he isn't holding any sort of grudge against my four yr old brother

>>236
If the thing broke after your dad fixed it it's probably his fault, dude. Things typically don't break right after you fix them correctly.

My manboobs are getting dangerously perky

>>235
>Could you explain how being punished by someone you can't escape for reasons you don't understand is a moral building experience?
He's gonna have to go throught that numerous times when he becomes an adult.

Does anyone else hate when your friend goes to school/gets a new job and then looks down on you and forgets about you

my cd spool has been up my ass before ama

>>241
how did it get there

>>242
i shoved it in to see what it would be like

>>243
what was it like

>>238
same
maybe I should try nofap

>>245
maybe you should try a salad

>>244
not that great

>>136
stuck in a class with her once again. She keeps screeching "Mormonism is a cult!" and ranting. Kill me

should have been called hedgedog

>240
Some friends are only there for a season, don't think too badly of them. Personally I have a hard time keeping up with my old friends, but I did get invited to be a best man for a Wedding by one of them, so that was nice.

WEED

people who wear ahegao shirts in public are so fucking transparent
I bet they bought that shirt to look brave or wacky or some shit, knowing full well that nobody will care that they're wearing it
they look like basic instagram/reddit trash
I bet they can't even name a doujin, or even know what one is

Thinking of wearing a JK uniform in public (male) just to show these losers

>>252
Since when is that a trend anyhow? It's so weird.

Everyone online misses 2000s anime meets "saturday morning cartoon" style action cartoons, and hates how modern cartoons no longer have high stakes action or detailed art.

Everyone except for me.

Whenever I watch any of those shows it's a fucking snoozefest. The only shows of that style I've kind of gotten into have been Ben 10 and Teen Titans, and even then I would still rather watch something else. Other shows, like AtLA, interest me so little that I've actually fallen asleep watching them.

I feel like a lot of the reason I'm like this comes from my early exposure to anime. I grew up during the late 90s/2000s anime boom, so whenever I wanted action I would just watch a shonen show. All of the western action cartoons were just too slow and dull for a kid who spent most of his time watching one piece

All of the western shows I did watch growing up were comedies like spongebob and ed edd n eddy. Comedy anime dubs weren't a common thing until I was in my late teens, and most comedies that got subs were aimed at adult otaku, so western animation was (and is) associated with comedy in my mind.

As such, I'm kind of in a weird position. I'm an anime fan who also doesn't dislike modern cartoons. The style of art and writing I went to American cartoons for never really stopped being a thing, and anime has obviously barely changed since the mid 2000s. I feel like the only person on earth who thinks everything's fine.

Why do so many have to indulge in binary divisions? This is not only when it comes to politics, but sites getting divided because if you're not one of them you're from the other side.
I wish we could all just get along, but it seems like it won't be possible in this day and age. Men seek too much for conflict and that which can be mocked and laughed at, leaving only disenfranchisement as the crops to harvest

>255
Simple societal pressures will forever create in-groups and out-groups and there is not enough fortitude in our nature to resist the temptation. Most egregiously, those who decide to walk some sort of middle path are instantly outcast by both sides who view them as counter productive to their ends, thus continuing to stifle any sort of moderate voice. We've never been able to get along, and we never will, it is just who we are. But I think you should also seek to find some solace in the immense benefits which arise from these divisions, at the most base level the division between men and women in our species and countless other mammalian species has been essentially the most critical factor in where we are today. In Western politics these divisions are symptoms of a more intentional effort but are still largely natural to our character.

At the end of the day the tragedy is that people simply want to be included in something, being left out and disappearing with no one to remember our existence terrifies us more than anything else and until we as a species accept some alternative philosophy predicated on something beyond the state of nature we'll repeat this cycle forever.

my thought is why am I only finding this website now?

I feel like I no longer have a "home" online. 4chan gradually became anonymous Twitter for people who watch dramatubers, 8ch was basically the same thing on all of the boards people actually used and is also dead now, and most other imageboards and BBSs move at a snail's pace.

The only options I have are talking to basically nobody or talking to people who piss me off.

>>257

I mean, I feel like the clear answer is to just try and slowly build another Chan like this one. I think they have a natural arc where at some point they become too much and collapse under their own weight, but 4taba is fun and could sustain more people right?

Also, the hobby boards are pretty good on NoFunChannel.

>>257
In all fairness I'm betting you feel exactly the same way about the world before the internet anyway. Or a hypothetical world without the internet.

At least to me it was the same thing. I hated people. They made no sense to me. I did not share their goals or values or motivations in life.
For a brief window of time the internet was primarily home to people who similarly disliked normal life in general. And that's really where I think "normalfag" comes from, where "non-normalfags" were the people who wanted the internet to be different.

In my opinion that's the big difference. You used to have communities of people who wanted the internet to be different from the real world.
More specifically they wanted the internet to feel above the real world.
And I think that's the best way I can possibly describe it because today it feels "low", like we've fallen from the clouds back down to earth. And the reason is that the average person just doesn't want the internet to be different.

So I suppose the solution would be to build a community of only people who do want the internet to be different/better than the real world.
But I don't think that's a moderation problem, so I don't know how you solve it.

I used to be really active on 4/co/ until I realized that basically every post could be boiled down to "Why isn't this AtLA or OtGW? Remember the 90s? Fuck you Rebeca Sugar!".

>>260
don't forget the infamous calarts style

>>261
The only thing that bothers me about the calarts meme is how people keep acting like it's a result of a lack of talent or laziness. All of the animation is either done in flash/toonboom or outsourced to Canada and Korea, with the latter being standard practice since the early 80s. The people working in-house don't actually need to draw anything besides storyboards and models. And it's not like the service studios have any input on how the show looks either; they're usually chosen pretty damn late into the show's development, and most shows swap between studios regularly

Sorry for the rant, I just sperg out when people talk about things they don't understand

I'm getting real sick of the words "normie" and "normalfag", especially since most people use them as code for "person who disagrees with me"

>>263
Even my normalfag friends use the word "normie". That word is dead.

>>263
It's a word used mostly by pretentious weeaboos that also use that "consume and wait for next product" joke all the time, but don't see the irony in keeping up with seasonal anime.

>>265
I think a great issue lately is assuming something about the guy on the other side of the screen and not addressing the messages. The former is easier but only ruins debates, the latter used to be very common but now no more, and helped to formulate ideas

>>266
I blame forums for that. I don't know how or where it started, but at some point in the 90s people collectivly decided that any discussion on a forum needed to have a "winner", even in situations where there's multiple valid opinions.

As much as I like quick Arcade SHMUPs, I actually kind of miss epic, story heavy (relatively) SHMUPs like Radiant Silvergun and Tyrian.

I always used to think that one day I'd find a cool obscure corner of the internet where I'd fit in. When I lurked, I always felt like I was on the outside, looking in at these cool communities of people interacting and having fun. I realise now that it was stupid to fetishise >muh sekrit club, but I still don't feel like I have a place where I belong.

>>269
I feel pretty much exactly the same. Of the many communities I've seen and participated in, I've never really became "part" of them in any sense. For me at least, the problem seems to be that I'm too timid to communicate with others well.

the other day I was driving home from work at 5 AM or so, a truck came up on me hot trying to pass me
so, I sped up to go as fast as I could thus preventing them from passing me, then pulled over to the other lane and let them
if they just wanted to go at a certain speed, it doesnt matter, but if they had an ego investment in passing the other cars, then being prevented from doing so and then allowed to is the ultimate insult. It takes away agency.
that was a stupid, petty, dick move.

My Father named me 'Famous'
My Friends named me 'Rock'
I feel something from this happening, but I'm not entirely sure what.

Your name is "Famous"?

I think anime started declining in the late 2000s when KyoAni hit the scene. They convinced everyone that the best looking show is the "prettiest" one and now everything looks completely and boring.

Also whoever thought it was a good idea to apply that filter that makes everything look like a flashback deserves to be fucking killed.

>>274
2003 is sure what I would call the late 2000s.

>>275
Their influence started spreading to the rest of the industry with haruhi and lucky star though, both of which were made in the latter half of the decade.

>>276
To this day, there is nothing else that feels or looks like Lucky Star, so I have no idea what you mean by influence.

>Ctrl+f K-ON
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>>278
K-On sucks dick but it didn't really have as much of an effect on the industry as KyoAni's earlier shows. It was a culmination of trends but not an initiator of them.

>>279
K-On's amazing, though. If anything we could use more shows like it.

>>280
There's billions of shows where a bunch of interchangeable bland chicks do nothing over a photobashed background while they morph from pose to pose like an advanced amoeba because the animators can't draw.

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>>281
I see, the problem is that you're stupid. That explains it.

>>280
no thank you

>>284
I agree, "No, Thank You" was a pretty good song from the K-On soundtrack.

I hate when people say "you'd never survive on your own". No shit I wouldn't. Human beings are pack animals who primarily hunt with weapons. We're not supposed to live out in the woods hunting animals with our bare hands.

>>286
lol you'd never survive on your own

YT recommended this video today https://hooktube.com/watch?v=Et6SfduvKaQ and I don't get it. Can someone explain why people make videos on dead lolcows or cows well past their prime like Chris Chandler? People like this love sites like kiwi farms (mostly because the forums write their videos themselves), but yet they don't follow the simple rule: don't interfere with cows that aren't ripe for milking

>>285
It's my favorite K-On song. I love the atmosphere, the way the girls are dressed, the visuals. There's a certain feeling the song gives that I find it hard to put into words... I've been chasing that feeling ever since, but have yet to find anything similar. Shame that I've never seen anyone talk about it.

Mio best girl. She should have been the lead singer.

I actually wish K-On had a tone similar to "No, Thank You".

>>288
There's no honor or restraint on the internet.
It's the same reason why a site's discourse can be quickly destroyed by a meme, no one knows when to cut it out.

the tone of voice in text written by weeb japanese learners is cringe. you cannot change my mind
https://kobunworld.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-1.html

I know I'm supposed to hate it because I'm on an site populated by weaboos, but I really like Gravity Falls

>>93
These sites are the woods, but you fucks keep cutting the threes to build more of your fancy agenda-pushing billboards.

>>197
>Shows made in that time were edgier than shows made before and WAY edgier than the ones made after (remember when Regular Show got away with showing realistic guns?), with both creators and networks realizing that kids aren't pussies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Ze2Fj8Ly0

>>293
Did a weaboo kill your dog or something? Nobody complains about that show in particular.

Apparently people use the term "kick the shit" as a manner to pass time at ease, but I understand it as doing something very hectic that can put you in a lot of trouble.
Also, if it was for the way I comprehend some stuff, I'd be a good writer. Sadly I'm a fat fuck naked in my room that stayed awake all the night.

oh and I have no talents, otherwise I would have gotten a job

tfw 304 packages to emerge
would be shorter to install another distro

It's used as an example of the "calarts" style a lot though.

I'm starting to get annoyed by people who say that JS is the most evil thing to have ever existed. It can be easily abused and overused, yes. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't have it at all. When used correctly, JS can greatly enhance a site.

>>301
We need to shame people who don't practice progressive enhancement. (not actually, but gosh)

fuck postmodernism I just wanna enjoy a funny ass joke without having to have 30 layers of irony because everyone's too afraid to genuinely like anything or be attached to anything
IMMAA FIRING MAH LAZER!!!!! is a funny mouth saying funny words in a funny way and that's all there fucking is to it. I s htat too much to ask

I'm a gay jewish weaboo furry with autism that probably caused the previous two parts and a massive libido. If I lived in any era other than the modern one (1990s onward) my life would suck balls, and I'm constantly living in fear of everything going to shit

>>303
I know that feel. I'm pretty sure the reason for these changes is popularity.
Stuff like shoop da whoop was like hanging out with a small group of friends who had lame jokes but just laughed at everything.
I think everyone probably knows what this is like, so I won't try and justify it, but you know you can't take that humor and go to a larger group and say "hey guess what my friend said, it was hilarious". It's not so much that it's an "inside joke", it's just that it depends heavily on context.
In the larger group everything has to be _objectively_ funny to be able to spread throughout the group. All of your humor from your smaller group is mostly considered lame, and all the humor from this larger group is more cold and flavorless. And of course they don't understand what you mean when you try and point that out either.

Doesn't matter how much better their humor is in an objective sense, you're always going to miss that smaller group and their "lame" humor.
I think this is basically the story of the internet for some of us. And it's a particularly sad story, because the early internet really brought a certain type of person into those "small groups" who was unified BY being an anonymous dickwad on the internet, people who loved that very concept.
So old internet communities were quite a unique bunch of "small group"s.

I can't believe the Skywalker bloodline is fucking dead.

ojamajo spelled backwards is still ojamajo

Anti-sex people piss me off. Liberal or conservative, it doesn't matter. If you think that it's good to fear what is biologically the most pleasurable experience that a human can have than I think you're a retard.

For similar reasons, I hate people who want shit like porn and strip-clubs banned because of muh children. Fuck off. I'm not a babysitter. My life shouldn't be made worse to accommodate someone else's kid. If you didn't want to put in the time to protect your kids from things that are inappropriate for them you shouldn't have had them to begin with

>>308
Sex isn't everything. Humans shouldn't strive only for simple pleasure.
There are many much-deeper and more fulfilling things in life.

I don't like Mondays.

>>309
I'm not saying I disagree entirely, but that's not really what this is about. Trying to ban sexuality is but one of many ways control-freak busybodies try and clamp down on the freedoms of others simply for doing things they personally disapprove of.

As long as someone is functional to society and is not a direct threat to others it matters not what they do in their off time. I could spend all weekend jerking off to loli guro while stoned and then go to work the next week as if none of it had ever happened.

If you can't tell that someone has done something even if you know them well and said thing also doesn't have any affect on anyone but them, there is literally no reason to ban it.

Does anyone else care about music and art from the early Japanese Internet?

If the previous world war was the one with no good winners, the next one will not even have good players. There's dirt in every single possible participant of it

>>312
The 20 other people that all browse shitaba, 4-ch, 6ch, saovq, etc do. And some web/anime/japancore bloggers on tumblr do. Despite what people sometimes say on these boards, Japan really doesn't give a fuck about their old memes, since futaba/JP twitter produces even more memes than the western internet does

I hate comicsgate, mostly because the movement is based around the idea that American comics were at one point not ugly shitstains with fanfiction grade writing, when in reality they've always sucked balls.

>>315
It sucks how comics never recovered from the Code. Authoritarian restrictions made in the midst of a moral panic can really kill a fledgling art form forever.

>>316
I just wish they didn't default to such an unappealing style. It's a style that feels like the people who came up with it didn't get what comics are.

The manga style, for example, works because it implies most of its details and exaggerates facial features. This approach allows many drawings to be done very fast, removes visual clutter, and tells the story in a very direct and unambiguous way.

Meanwhile, in the American style, small heads and tiny facial features make it very hard to show expression, doubly so when characters are only allowed to make "realistic" faces, and the immense amount of definition and detail applied to everything equally makes it really hard to distinguish what is and isn't important in each panel, and also makes it a bitch to draw in a timely manner.

>>315
>>316
I find it sad that capes are SO ubiquitous that they essentially ARE comics, even to the point of hiding the times when it wasn't all caps all the time. I got in to comics not through Marvel and DC, but from Newspaper Strips and such. While I had a soft spot for Spider man, I was never really big on the superheroes outside of the animated series.

I think this is the greatest weakness of Sequential Art in America. So much of its ideas, artwork and manpower MUST be funneled in to Marvel and DC's pantheons, with everything else being niche. I think non-comic fans would be far easier on American comics if there was more variety.

As a side note: I hate Disney for the similar reasons.

Disney, to me, is less bad simply because their movies are at least nice to look at. They put a ton of effort into making each shot look great, and they were arguably the originators of the classic "big eyes small mouth" combo.

Do I respect the wishes of the creator to not reupload their works or strive to archive things, so others may still enjoy their works when their website eventually dies?

>>319
I personally think Disney is far worse, but I don't have all my thoughts and research together on that yet. There's a lot to what they do, them being a monopoly is just the latest bit of frosting on the cake.

The thorough rape of Copyright alone is enough for me to have some disdain for Disney.

If you're talking as a company and not as an animation studio yeah they're really awful. Although come to think of it, their recent string of hyper-realistic remakes look like dogshit, which kind of cancels out the "nice to look at" thing.

Fun fact; if you're a Disney employee they own everything you make while working under them, even if you made it in your off hours. They're pretty infamous among American animators for this reason.

I can't stand /jp/ purists. It's not that they only consume Japanese media. That's fine. It's the way they parade it around and try to shame you for liking anything that isn't from glorious nippon. Fuck off with that shit.

>>323
No.

Elaborate.

I miss semi-normie anime/weeb communities. They used to be everywhere in the 2000s, but they slowly faded out as anime's popularity began to wane in the west.

Places like this one are nice, don't get me wrong, but there's this energy and optimism that the more casual crowd has that simply isn't present among people who spend all day in their room.

Anime seems to be getting increasingly popular again in the us, there's probably similar communities out there but reddit cannibalised that kind of place.

>>320
As long as it's properly credited and you don't earn money out of it I don't see the problem. I get where they're coming from, but they shouldn't make their works public in the first place if they're worried about that. Expecting people to avoid sharing stuff they like doesn't make any sense. That said I'd just link to their site or I'd wait until their site is down.

>>314
>The 20 other people that all browse shitaba, 4-ch, 6ch, saovq, etc do.
It's a bit depressing that smaller boards, especially text, are all used by the same small handful of people. I don't mean this with any disrespect, but that's how communities die of old age and that's probably the most depressing way for an online entity to die.
>Despite what people sometimes say on these boards, Japan really doesn't give a fuck about their old memes
I don't think that's exclusive to Japan. Most people see the internet as a form of quick entertainment and archival or permanence doesn't even enter most people's minds, and although many are sentimental about the old internet net, most people don't care. I wouldn't be surprised if there were Japanese boards similar to these.

To add on to that, I think it’s amusing that there’s so much fighting between communities, specially /jp/ ones when they’re all used by the same people for the most part.

>>329
>It's a bit depressing that smaller boards, especially text, are all used by the same small handful of people. I don't mean this with any disrespect, but that's how communities die of old age and that's probably the most depressing way for an online entity to die.

Counterpoint: The only good communities (online or otherwise) are small. The fastest way to destroy a group is to flood it with people.

>>328
Nothing will ever top the 2000s anime boom though. Shit was everywhere back then. It's really hard to put into words how massive it was.

i used to look down upon lost+found / found.000 folders but today i recovered some important shit from there. be careful with your files, bros

>>328
The stuff that gets popular is primarily shonen/SoL though, since [adult swim] only airs shonen and SoL often gets meme'd on twitter/instagram.

If this decade has taught me anything, it's to never believe people who claims that an entertainment medium's problems are the fault of the speaker's political enemies.
The issue isn't mere politics, but a hyper tribal strain of it that has infected discourse so thoroughly that it turns people in to slobbering beasts.

>>327
On the contrary, I want truNEET places back. Every new forum or imageboard I find that claims to be NEET is actually populated by socially (mal)adjusted dweebs that can't help but talk about their real life issues and use memes that spread on normalfag places.
NEET has become another popular slang term for cool peeps to feel like they're dark and moody, much like depression.

I don't think I like the post-revival taba very much.

>>337
What ails you, anon? Is it something subtly off about the current userbase?

I want to use lucid dreaming to have my own anibabe harem.

I feel disenfranchised after the shutdown of 8chan, I'll never see a place with so much knowledge and cooperativism ever again, alternative boards related to it just brought massive infighting between each other so centralization is still going to happen, the fact that they shill decentralization while also attacking every other board showcases that the former is just a fat lie.
This is the greatest loss of the second decade of the century. 8kun exists but it's like digging a loved one's corpse. It's pretty clear that the spirit is long dead. I've been using 4chan to cope but the userbase there also has massive infighting and trying to apply consensus cracking. The only comfy places left are the small ibs on the internet no one talks about, but they're also pretty slow compared to the other two mentioned.
I feel like shit

>>340
I think part of the issue is dipshit owners. Most of the core userbase of western imageboards (specifically the "shitposty" types) are HS/middle school-aged children, and the owners of these alt chans usually range from age 16-19. Not having enough experience in the world yet, they know jackshit about creating and keeping a stable community of users.

But I digress, I have enough hobbies to keep me occupied that I stay satisfied with the "slow" boards that already exist. One thing I do miss about the early 2010s chan-scape is all the weird shitposting and people that came from different boards or chatrooms dedicated to chan culture. As someone mentioned here not too long ago, most of the abstract shitposting has been crammed onto esfores for the last five years

>>341
moot himself was underage when he started 4chan and the original 4chan community consisted of equally like-minded individuals. The age demographics are the same as they used to be.

The biggest issue at hand, I think, is the centuries old division between noobs and nerds. Ease of internet access caused noobs to quadruple in size and allowed them to expand into previously uncharted territories such as imageboards. Following this, two scenarios emerge:
1. The enormous size of the noob community gives them the dominant voice over nerds. Nerd communities then shift to suit noob needs. This scenario occurs when the nerd community vanguard is passive.
2. You can change one or two noobs to fit into your nerd community, or chase them away altogether. When the noob onslaught is enormous in size, if the nerd community vanguard is aggressive: the noob community gets the wrong idea and they evolve into a twisted version of themselves. As per above, due to their sheer size the twisted noobs then proceed changing the nerd community into a twisted noob community. Armed with nerdist knowledge, they proceed revising history and nerdist dogmas to make twisted noobs into the nerds.

People have been boogeymaning the first scenario so loudly for such a long time that they failed to notice the second scenario progress right in front of their eyes.

>>340
I know exactly what you mean, I feel the same. Somewhere around 2010 everything just kept splitting and dying and nowadays there is just no website I could call my home anymore I feel. It's such a shame.
And ill not post on any kind of trash website with freaking teenagers all over, fuck that shit.

>>342
>You can change one or two noobs to fit into your nerd community, or chase them away altogether. When the noob onslaught is enormous in size, if the nerd community vanguard is aggressive: the noob community gets the wrong idea and they evolve into a twisted version of themselves. As per above, due to their sheer size the twisted noobs then proceed changing the nerd community into a twisted noob community. Armed with nerdist knowledge, they proceed revising history and nerdist dogmas to make twisted noobs into the nerds.
Holy shit, this is the exact kind of things I was fighting back when the community splitting happened, the best example would have been /b2/ when they were blaming dysnomia for massive deleting links to their board when it was remedy the one who kickstarted the mess.
dysnomia didn't help acting like a fucking retard, but it was not all his fault. And this is the problem with many communities at hand, they feel confident placing all the blame in one guy and not looking at themselves and the kinds of stuff they post, and how that affects their community.
At least regional imageboards seem fine, that's one reason for learning other languages I guess

https://soundcloud.com/gs_standard/panty

I'm starting to tire of people using "how similar is this to Ghibli/AtLA (if it's a cartoon)?" as the metric by which they judge quality in animation, if only because it's such a narrow standard to have.

I hate how the scripts in modern dubs of anime are nearly completely identical translations of the original script and the voice actors try to sound as much as a Japanese anime character as possible. These dubbing companies should be hiring actual experienced people that voiced things outside of anime, and making the dubs as unique as possible. There are very few anime that appeal to the American market, the only exception is shounen anime such as DBZ and MHA. You can't deny when Americans think of characters like Goku in their head, they're most likely hearing Sean Schemmel's voice for the character. And the reason is DBZ was so localized in the late 90s-2000s that it's forever ingrained into the show's history, and fans all around the globe have endless twitter slapfights over what VA "did the character the most justice", or what music score fits the show best.

>>347
>You can't deny when Americans think of characters like Goku in their head, they're most likely hearing Sean Schemmel's voice for the character
That's bad though. They should do this less.

>>348
How so? Do you prefer a different VA? DBZ has some great dubs (like the French dub is pretty badass). If you're implying only the jap dub matters then you probably should extend your horizons

>>349
Specifically in this case I mean that the English version of the character is close to a complete rewrite.

>>350
Yeah, in the 90s Goku in the US/Canadian release was a lot more heroic and not a total dumbass like how they write him in Toei's new cash grab series DBS

>>351
Him being portrayed as heroic is a misunderstanding of the character and what saiyans are supposed to be.

Do you guys know any actually scary giant monsters? Most of them are just big versions of real things like insects (which completely misses the point, insects are potentially scary BECAUSE they're small). I had an idea for one that lives underground, like a sentient, slightly anthropomorphized fungus and eats cities from below, but that seems like cheating because "giant monster" makes you think of something that towers above you.

>>352
>what saiyans are supposed to be
Goku was raised off planet and hit his head when he was little. He's not like other saiyans

>>353
I like the space monsters from Gunbuster. They're incomprehensibly large and alien.
http://www.toponeraegunbuster.com/Gunbuster-Aliens.html

>>353
There's always the Cosmic Horrors. City sized I've always found Eva units rather disturbing (especially the MP Evas). The Ideon is eerie conceptually, though the novelization also makes it explicit on a visual level.

Modern civilization is sensorially overwhelming and emotionally draining: processed food, school/work stress, pollution, loud noise, advertising, addictive tech, populist politics, sexual stimulation/titillation, population density, shallow relationships.

It seems like a large portion of business and society in general is based on abusing the reward system of people for profit and the benefit of the privileged. And its sophistication increases as science advances.

>>357

>>357
I try to live my life on a small scale for exactly that reason. There's way too much to focus on now, and you can easily wear yourself out with all the worrying you can do.
I think, in addition to all you've said, too many people have become busy bodies, way too invested in the lives and behavior of people they haven't met or don't interact with. To the point where it seems some people have messiah complex, and feel they need to be the one who will redeem the Earth. It's the only way I can explain how over the top partisan American Politics have become, for one thing.

The quality of an imageboard is less dependent on the userbase, and more on the moderation team

>>360
The coolness of an imageboard is proportionate to the coolness of the people moderating it.

I miss the cutesy-but-kind-of-edgy aesthetic that was big in western media in the late 2000s and early 2010s. Think shows like Over the Garden Wall, games like Drawn to Life, and webcomics like Ruby Quest.

I wish you could customize your semen color

Hey someone's online at the same time as me. What's up?

>>>>364
I don't like Mondays!

>>365
FUCK, it is already monday. I need sleep, may these dubs bring me and you delicious dreams. You wanna try collaborative dreaming? I'll be on the moon above the lake of solitude looking like a witch, I'll show you some cool spots.

>>366
Cheers anon. I don't know if I'll be able to meet up with you now considering my time schedule but I appreciate your welcoming.

Please excuse my rudeness, if that's how I've seemed to you.

>>364
i like witches

Taba got fast!

>>370
Are you >>638? You didn't seem rude at all, why would you think that?

>>370,373
Oh I see what happened. Anon A made post >>367, then made a subpost saying they were embarrassed and to ignore it. Then you, anon B (who may or may not == anon A) made >>368. I made a post calling anon A a big dumb fucker or something as a joke response to their subpost, except I forgot how to make a subpost and accidentally made a normal one. I deleted it, but since we were online at the same time anon B must've seen it and assumed that since there was no post reference I was responding to my direct predecessor, aka >>368 and made >>370 after I went to sleep. Did I get anything wrong?

Well now this was awkward.

>>375
Do you think I drove him away forever?

;-;

I need to backup badly

My back hurts

I don't get why people act like indie games are a late 2000s/early 2010s thing. They've been around since at least the late 70s with microcomputer games. It wasn't uncommon for games back then to have teams small enough for the credits to fit on the title screen.

>>379
I think the reason as to why people think like that is because of the budget gap between independent companies and publisher affiliated ones has grown much more which lead to different presentations and much different graphics.

I Jerked Off to the Rape Scenes in The Bible

I think I need to get off the computer...

I don't get people who identify as hardcore conservatives, vote republican, and use /pol/, but are also lolicons and/or furries.

You do realize that the movement your supporting ultimately wants to ban the things you like, right? If bible land becomes a thing in our current era of mass surveillance, sexuality is going to be heavily repressed.

I think it comes back to this dumbass idea that there's only three positions, and only two valid ones. It doesn't work like that. For example, wanting to bring culture back to how it was in 1980s America is very different from wanting to go back to how things were in Victorian England, but both types of people get lumped together because of groupthink.

>>383
From my experience people who make hardcore ideologies part of their identity tend to be fucked in the head big time.

I think the scariest thing about how people act on Social Media today is that they essentially act like 4channers, only their face, name, and personal info is on display. Sometimes they do this while also filming themselves.
Then they think they can just delete any offending behavior like archive sites don't exist.

Just destroyed 4 hours of work, I want to die.

>>388
I destroyed 4 years, get on my level

How the fuck do people get an identity? I'm getting to 22 and I still don't know what the fuck makes me different from any other average guy.
On second hand, don't you sometimes felt you were a secondary character in someone else's story?

>>388
I did that years ago and I can still vividly remember it. Keep as many backups as humanly possible.

Imagine just being able to tell your computer, "Please print me a brand new, boxed silver model Nintendo DS" or "Please construct a git project for the entire development cycle of the source code of Crash Bandicoot for the SONY PlayStation, all artists and contributors credited where appropiate".

Nowadays, when we think of the we think of 90s with postmodern anime and web 1.0, but if you asked someone at the time what they associated the decade with they'd probably say something along the lines of outsider art (underground comics, grafiti, indie music, etc.) and hip-hop.