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1 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
This probably is more social than software, but man: fuck people who use discord. One website I was on, people were asking for an IRC channel, and one of the people running the site made a discord channel instead.
How do you get normalfags to stop being such brainless and spineless conformists?
2 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
Is it really that bad?

I always thought it was dumb too because I pictured it as some sort of skype-like program "for gamers" with a central server that probably skims data and sells it for profit.

But then I tried it out and it actually feels more like an IRC program, and even IRC servers are centralized (they even broadcast your IP to everyone, which Discord doesn't so that's a plus). I mean, who's to say freenode isn't selling data too? They have about the same stuff if you register like your IP and email.

As far as I can tell the major difference is that I can't get a terminal based Discord client like weechat or something. But I can't really hold that against normalfags (they'd probably use GUI IRC clients anyway)

So I dunno. I've kind of warmed up to Discord a bit. Although I do wish I only needed 1 chat program instead of using both Discord and IRC.
3 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
I agree with your sentiment aside from discord being super fucking ugly
still, discord is sus as hell
slack ripoff dedicated to GAMERS
totally free even though they host ALLLLL of that shit people upload
4 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
It's basically as if someone made IRC bad, yes. It provides no features above IRC, but a lot of overhead and misfeatures.
>they even broadcast your IP to everyone

Get a vHost, or actually route your traffic through a bouncer.
Basically, discord has no advantages over IRC, and several disadvantages. But conformists don't care about the quality of the software they use.
5 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
It's bad but it's convenient for people that cannot be bothered to get an IRC client.
6 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
If you can't get an IRC client, you could always use a webclient. I always link people webclients when talking about IRC, yet people still refuse.
7 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
In all fairness I haven't even used it that much. I only started using it like 2 weeks ago and I basically just idle.
There's something about it that kind of overwhelms me. I don't know how the hell anyone has time to keep up with all the shit going on in different rooms. I guess because each "discord" can have many different channels they all seem to end up creating some form of dedicated "shitposting" channels, it's just too much going on. (or maybe it's that I can't switch between channels with my keyboard like I do in weechat so it feels slower?)
I still prefer IRC, I was just trying to keep an open mind to new technologies so I don't end up being some bitter oldtimer who can't move on
8 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
Big difference between discord and IRC: IRC is an open standard and anyone can make a client. Discord is a proprietary protocol and you're stuck with the client Discord gives you.
9 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
I thought this was already well-known.
But it's definitely one of the most important differences: another difference is that you can't make or run your own server.
10 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
>I thought this was already well-known

It probably is but I didn't really know what discord was until a few weeks ago. It seems to be everywhere now.
11 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
Just look on the bright side though.

It's good to see something become popular on the western internet again (other than games) that doesn't involve blatant attention whoring and people using their real names/faces. The fact that normalfags are getting into something that is at least functionally quite similar to IRC gives me hope for humanity
12 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
You think they're not attentionwhoring on discord? They do it through all the voice and image features.
13 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
Is there a 4taba IRC/chatroom? People here seem pretty cool and I'm lonely...
14 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
I just made, but did not register to chanserv, an unofficial channel on Rizon. #4taba
If you don't have a client yet:
15 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
Someone from poland joined and left three minutes later without saying anything.
16 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
That was me, sorry for bothering you
17 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
Please come back.
18 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
There are three whole people online.
19 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
please join #4taba
20 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
Why don't we set a time when we can all be on, and can all chat for a moment.
When's good for you guys? Please translate it to EDT.
00 to 13 is about good for me.
21 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
It serves its purpose for communicating with the fellows I play videogames with. I wish we could use mumble instead, but at least they aren't using skype anymore. I hope the irc channel is successful, I will try to remember to lurk it.
22 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
I just want to play a dumb political simulator, but this discord shit is everywhere. If I want to talk to anyone I need one of these, apparently.
I guess I'll make an account.
23 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
I had an account for a month. Then I deleted it. It was a hassle to use.
24 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
It was loading for two hours. I give up.
25 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
Wow, that's long. I never had it be that bad. It did crash my browser multiple times though.
26 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
I disagree. I've been using irc for about 10 years and still use it to talk to friends, but the ability to embed images is incredibly valuable for anyone doing creative work
27 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
uploading an image to some host should be painless, and so should clicking a link and opening it in something that can view images.
though its not like IRC is that good anyways. yet, somehow all other means I know of doing the same thing, libre or otherwise, seem worse.
28 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
of course, uploading and posting links is how we did it for a long time
but you use the word painless to describe it, while I would use "comfortable" for drag and drop embedding of images into chat

sure irc is still there, but why not use the right tool for the right job?
29 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
Can someone just bomb Discord's computers so we can all go back?
30 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
Matrix > IRC >> Discord
31 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
the right tool is an uploading script that can be called from terminal, file manager, or image viewer. 5 times less painless and existing solutions are out there already, so no work. optionally, use your own server for no size or type restrictions and auto-delete after a few days.

the real problem is that people can't be bothered to spend 3 minutes improving something they use all day every day
32 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
alright well, I think you're being stubborn but if that works for you, that's great. have a nice day
33 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
How dismissive of you.
Hes right. Invoking a hotkey or a small command bound to a script is just as good as drag and drop. Said script can place the link on your clipboard so you dont have to copy. You select the relevant image and press a button. As for opening, just click the link. Its either opened in your browser or downloaded and opened in your image viewer.
embedding the images into the chat was, when I tried discord, fucking obnoxious. It takes away your agency over when to look at the picture. even if it was good, its still meaningless trivial crap when you can just click the goddamn link to see it anyways, hardly "incredibly valuable" and hardly worth suffering their half gigabyte of ram consuming electron bullshit or the fact that they're almost certainly selling user data.
discord isnt well designed or easy to use compared to literally any other chat program either. its easy to use once youve learned its weird interface. which is confusing and strange until you learn it.
34 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
Kids these days just don't understand textpunk.
35 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
Discord is a hell of a lot better than skype at least. My idiot friends don't want to switch to mumble or teamspeak so I'm stuck with this shit for now. Could be worse I guess.
36 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
>How dismissive of you.

I'm sorry, I honestly meant it when I said that if scripts work out for you, that's great. no sarcasm there. comfort and ease of use isn't something that can be objectively measured, unless you go by amount of clicks and keystrokes
I'm not one for arguing and this is a thread for venting about discord, and that's fine. I'm more than willing to see discord's faults, it's just not that all black and white to me
37 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
your defenses of it overstate the value of little bells and whistles, underestimate the effect of marketing, and most importantly, dont bring it anywhere near being worthwhile enough to justify the use of a proprietary electron web shit. its extremely easy to justify popularity whether or not its actually warranted, if you're afraid of seeming like a contrarian or want to be contrarian to other contrarians. If it was open, probably not violating your privacy, and not a disgusting mess of abstractions and complexity, itd be tolerable, but unnecessary, mostly pointless.
the point here isnt that discords interface and design is the worst thing ever, its that its interface/design/features are "whatever", and not the reason its popular.

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