|»|7 Anonymous 2019-04-23T16:31:04
Some of them probably are halfway normal(though none are likely all that much so), but even without that they can start going on such sites because they're there, everyone uses them, and theyre useful for accessing some niches.
4chan became totally worthless sometime in the 2010s, and plenty of its boards had ceased to be worth using quite early in the 2010s.
meanwhile, retreating to small imageboards is, for the moment, like moving away to a rural cabin somewhere. Theres less activity on any of the smaller imageboards I use than on say, 7chan in '08/9, or lainchan at its peak. There are some that are still decently populace, I think, but they're either niche, represent some specific strain of imageboard culture not everyone is part of or interested in, or they're only active on their /b/ or whatever.
Ive come to hate the constant flood of information on something like popular 4chan or twitter or whatever, and even moreso when its carefully filtered like big social media sites allow you to. But it seems perfectly expected that a good portion of old users would just get with whatever everyone else is using. After all, the community they knew is dead, just like for me.
|»|13 Anonymous 2019-04-24T04:34:24
In my opinion the simplest explanation is this:
>Someone who wants, or expects, that the same dynamics which apply offline should also apply online.
A non-normalfag doesn't give a shit about real world issues when online. And in my opinion that _exactly_ describes the state of the older internet.
I think it's actually really difficult for new anons to understand that these days, because the way we communicate online is dictated by the majority, and today the majority is normalfags. Everything about the way we interact, even here and now, was sculpted by normalfags.
Without any decently sized non-normalfag infested community on the internet it was inevitable. So there's really no shining example today that can be used to compare and contrast.
But, perhaps it makes more sense with some examples. So take the issue of racism for instance: A non-normalfag says he doesn't give a shit about that online, not because he doesn't give a shit offline, but because it literally has 0 impact on their online life.
A normalfag has a very hard time understanding that concept because he would subconsciously connect the two and start forming theories and implications to explain why you would say such a thing, or try to explain why you wouldn't care offline (like being ignorant or "american")
As another example consider all the people these days who use "incel" and "virgin" like actual insults all of a sudden.
Back in the day almost everyone just pretended to be a virgin even if they weren't, and would have almost taken those insults as compliments because it's funny to do so.
Again, it's another issue that actually has 0 impact on your online life and in all honesty it should be considered laughable or bizarre that anyone would think you'd actually give a fuck. Only normalfags think it actually matters in this digital world. It matters to THEM, and they EXPECT that it matters to me too.
That expectation is the root annoyance many of us have toward normalfags. It wouldn't really be so bad if they just had their values and we had ours. But it's this fact that they expect I have the same values they do that's why normalfags used to be so hated.
Anons could feel them changing the game up with those strange new expectations of internet behavior as more and more of them were using our communities.
And for good reason too, because I believe that expectation has nearly encompassed all facets of online life today. The normalfags dominate the culture, and if they expect offline dynamics, drama, and concerns to apply online as well then that's typically how everyone else views it too since they're the majority now.
The end result is you can't tell a fucking joke anymore without some normalfag ruining it with their silly offline concerns.
Don't even get me started on how social media sites like facebook, reddit, twitter, and google are literally the engine feeding the normalfag mentality (hint: they're FORCING people to think a certain way because the normalfag mentality is a pile of gold to them, and they're mining the shit out of it).
|»|19 Anonymous 2019-04-29T06:57:32
Except that this is a very Eternal September way of looking at electronic communication. Before the proles were allowed online, it was all military and university personnel. Given that it was a new medium, old social expectations were not only expected but enforced. That meant that social decorum, proper spelling, real names, and intellectual honesty were a given. The internet wasn't something you did, it was just another resource/utility like a library. People had real lives outside of their machines and they weren't placed into the Skinner Boxes of algorithm-dominated social media, online gambling, and pornography. (Though, admittedly, that last one appeared fairly quickly.)
No, in my opinion, the problem with online communication is the same one that religion has: money got involved. Business people always seek a way to make a hobby into a cash-cow. And since most small communities can't sustain themselves financially, someone with money and business savvy will always take advantage.
|»|26 Anonymous 2019-05-19T17:08:19
>That meant that social decorum, proper spelling, real names, and intellectual honesty were a given
I'm the anon who wrote that huge post, and I hate to pull this card, but I think there's a misunderstanding here (granted it may just be that I'm terrible at explaining this shit, which could be why that post was so fucking long in the first place)
But I don't think politeness, for example, has an inherently "real world" flavor, so it's not really what I was referring to.
One great example of the real world dynamics I was trying talk about is that we're seeing an all-time high (at least relative to 4chan) of people insulting others based on real life stuff. E.g. that you're "fat", a "loser", a "virgin", a "tranny".
And why should anyone care about such things on the internet? I don't know about you all but the ONLY thing about those insults that actually feels insulting is that they are accompanied by the underlying assumption that I'm supposed to give a shit about them. I feel like that mentality basically undermines everything that used to be so great about the internet.
The problem is that mentality is the majority now, so just ignoring it isn't going to change the fact that the majority thinks I got BTFO for being called a tranny, and all I can do is roll my eyes at how stupidly trenched in real life drama the internet is now.
|»|29 Anonymous 2019-05-19T18:30:59
You're making sense.
One thing I really noticed about 4chan's current set of jokes is that they're all exclusively mean-spirited and cheap insults toward some group the Anon does not like. I know 4chan was pretty hostile to begin with, but there was a sense of implied light hearted vibe to their old jokes.
- /v/-man was angry, but the fact that he was so angry was a ridiculous joke and he became endearing.
- Epic Fail Guy was a loser, but his failure was a ridiculous joke, and he went on to become Slowenn Faillann, who pierced the heavens with his failure.
No one to my knowledge used angry /v/-man or Epic fail guy like they do Wojak and its mutations.
When people use Wojaks and Pepes, they are serious to a distressing degree. They not only relate and project their own personalities on these two cartoons, but the try to squeeze anyone they dislike in to them. What's worse is that the insult Wojaks are all the same: "This person is bad because they disagree with me, look at how bad they are". Wojak, Soyjak, Zoomer, NPC, Brainlet, they all can be summed up in that one sentence. The cherry on top of the cake is that these jokes are more often than not forced on Anonymous by some organized party from a chatroom. There's not real fun, nothing forms naturally, it's all business and joy has no place.