that's a funny lookimg dog

Eating sugar triggers my autism

I hope shitaba didn't lose too many people.

>>4
i'm sure we'll be ok. people will find us in the end, as long as you give the right clues.

Anybody here knows where I could find a kaishaku to cut my head off after seppuku?

Apparently cartoon network actually decided to release the weird shitty thundercats reboot. I still can't figure out 1) why they decided to make this, and 2) why anyone cares.

With the first question, I think I kind of have an answer. Teen Titans Go, despite being universally loathed online, is actually pretty successful for cartoon network, so obviously they're going to try and do it again.

As for the second question though, I've got nothing. The original was a mediocre he-man clone in a sea of mediocre he-man clones. And most of the people complaining didn't even grow up in the 80s. They're mostly late-millennials who would've grown up watching much better shows like teen-titans and AtLA.

Wouldn't it be messed up if there were mind readers? Wouldn't it be messed up if there were a mind reader right there? And they were reading all of your friends minds? And then they read yours, but it's completely different to what you're actually thinking? Wouldn't that be scary and messed up?

>>8
Mind reader here. Don't listen to this guy, he's an idiot. He spends all his time thinking about big buttholes, he likely will never even have a job because instead of learning skills he just thinks about buttholes constantly.

>>7
jesus, i thought google images was showing me art by pranksters who wanted to make fun of the calarts art style as some sarcastic artistic statement, not the real deal

Internet Radio is actually pretty neat. I haven't been deep in to music for a while, but it's nice to have some songs going without personally curating them.

>>11
I think the ultimate irony is that Teen Titans Go, the show Cartoon Network keeps trying to recreate, is about as far from the calarts look as you can get, using highly stylized hyper-angular characters with thick lines and bold, saturated colors.

Was Jimi Hendrix a furry?

I'm dreaming more often then I have for years.

I've been trying to lucid dream through the wake up back to sleep method, but I always end up being unable to fall back asleep after waking up, so in the end I just lose sleep.

>>1
If I touch one side of my body, I need to touch the opposite side. Especially when scratching.
So if I scratch the palm of one hand, I need to scratch the other.
I've always been like this.

The issue with anarco-capitalism (or any 'pure' free market system really) is that there's an implicit endgame to it. It might start off great, but eventually everything from schools to hospitals will be fully controlled by Disney and you won't be able to do anything about it.

>>20
>you won't be able to do anything about it
literally nothing stops you from building yourself a hospital when you're sick.

I really like the cold breeze and the vivid scent of flowers in the morning.

I wish there was a tag for adult women on hentai sites. VNDB is the closest. My dick doesn't care about the distinction between MILFs, cakes, housewives, OLs, teachers, doctors & nurses, etc. I just want adult women.

Likewise, I wish there was a universal ugly/creepy male tag. Searching for "BBM" and "DILF" gets tiresome. And who knows how much has flown under the radar for me because it wasn't tagged with either of those tags.

Then again maybe I should just download the porn and categorize it according to my sensibilities. But that feels like too much effort for little gain.

Does anyone else have pains with current tagging practices?

>I just want adult women.
cant't you just negate loli?

>>23
That exactly sums it up for me too. Prefer more mature looking women, and can't stand male characters with too much presence. "Presence" is how I'd characterize it, since if they're distracting for any reason it's annoying, and that's usually the case for super ugly, fat, old, or unnecessarily hairy males (sometimes I even edit their faces out).

I really have to wonder when it looks like more creativity and effort went into drawing a male than a female. I don't get why Japanese material has so much of that sort of thing.

>>24
Negating loli doesn't give you only adult women. There's still JKs which also don't have their own tag, closest is "schoolgirl outfit" but a) "schoolgirl outfit" doesn't necessarily mean JKs and b) JKs aren't always wearing schoolgirl outfits.

https://youtu.be/A6aTtQED_D8
I wish someone would sub all of these eva related 90s news broadcasts. There are so many dedicated fans that pick apart every piece of evangelion related media (there are even people that specifically go through each dvd release and pinpoint obscure shots that are slightly different from the original broadcast), so why aren't these recorded news stories subbed yet? If I was confident in my Japanese I'd host my own fan site/forum and sub all of them.

>>27
I feel like most of the folks who would really care that much about obscure Japanese news and info about Eva probably know at least some Japanese.

Who decided to disable terminal bells? Yesterday I found out that Alacritty has an option for visual bells that is disabled by default. No one told me that tab completion is actually able to provide feedback when it's at a loss. Can motherboards still beep nowadays?

Because flash reversing video colour gives you eye cancer.

What happened to the other thread?

>>31 It expired. The posts and images are safe and sound on at least a couple harddrives, but I only have the HTML to offer.

Debating whether or not we have free will is the biggest waste of time in the world that in no way shape or form benefits humanity.

hate when things don't work

>>33
im not sure you see all the implications of this, basically if we don't have it the whole concept of justice is void and a bunch of other stuff

>>33 you are not humanity.

>>29
I worked in an office with an older asian woman who had a terminal bell on. I could hear it clear across the office whenever she was doing tab completions. Multiple beeps every 5 seconds for like 20min straight sometimes.
I wasn't sure if I should be annoyed or congratulate her on how few fucks she gave.

>>32 Not sure of how to resolve this or prevent no-extention uploads

I just took a shower, and i spent around 15-20 minutes just scrubbing myself. It was like I had a(n?) one to two millimeter-thick layer of dead skin on every low contact area of my body.

I figured out how to tell if someone online dislikes you for certain, because sometimes it's hard to tell with all the "banter". Compare yourself to them. If they react insulted, you have your answer. People like being compared to people they like.

The culture war is cancer and does no good for anyone who engages in it. It has driven America insane, turned them even dumber, and will not die even in the face of a common enemy to all of mankind.
I hate it, I honestly hate what it's done to humanity.

Is it normal to get pissed when there's a sudden surge of people into a certain band/game franchise/show/etc? Personally, I hate Bomberman fans that have only played the 64 titles or just listened to Redial on yt and thought it was "aesthetic". The Neo Geo ost is a million times better fyi

I've been trying to learn Middle English, got a dictionary with translations, next I want to get The Canterbury Tales in the original language. After that I wanna move on to Old English, if anyone would like to share a good book on the subject, let me know about it, please. Anyone else interested in Old/Middle English?

>>42
What sudden surge? Bomberman is still niche.

it's all over the flooor

>>44
"Retro gaymer" types of twitter are always gushing over "how good redial is". Its a good track but like, cmon. It's like they've never heard jungle music before

The Problem Solverz is an example of a universally hated cartoon that hipsters would love now because of the immense "weird CD ROM game" vibe it gives off

ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━!!

Who was the anon that posted that webm from an ova where the giant salary man cums into a building? I was looking for that video all over the place and couldn't find it. I'm pretty sure it was posted in the last random thread though. If you're that anon that posted it and you still have it, can you post it again (with the source too please)?

>>42
This is a good track.

I wish I was better at drawing people. Right now I'm stuck in that weird zone where I know what I'm supposed to do, but I'm not very comfortable with it, and unless I'm looking at a tutorial as I draw I always fuck up the proportions.

I know jackshit about hardware. Am I allowed to naively answer 'yes' to all of fsck's questions?

>>52
That's what I usually do and I've never encountered any problems. If you absolutely can't afford to lose the data clone the partition before touching anything, but iirc you can't fuck something up irremediably by doing this. Just make sure that the partition is unmounted.
I probably don't know more about it than you though so don't take my word for it.

I just realized that American politics as it exists now is like 'Shin Megami Tensei' with the neutral path removed.

>>51
How are you practicing? Have you tried doing quick sketches?

https://youtu.be/-vW8IjanP_k
This is the most cursed thing in existence

I still feel bad about accidentally calling that guy in the last thread a stupid fuckhead when they said they couldn't dream with me. Anon if you're still here please forgive me and end my suffering.

Why does almost every imageboard either offer free speech or "comfiness"

It's a cop out answer or rationalization for lack of fun

enforced comfiness is a special kind of hell. I assume they do that to dissociate themselves from typical 4ch/8ch aggressiveness.

free speech themed boards are usually offshoots of places where the mods suck

>>58
A consequence of so many imageboards being connected to 4chan in some way, and thus trying to focus way more on elements of 4chan they liked/disliked.

-Free Speech groups are usually home to /pol9k/ types who think 4chan is too harsh.
-Comfy groups are home to people who are sick of tireless fighting, especially culture war themed stuff, and want to create a curated garden for themselves.
-There are also /ajp/ type board who want a greater focus on the Japanese aspects of 4chan, and thus model themselves as a more extreme form of /a/ or /jp/.
-Lastly we have the Church of Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain. Let's all love Lain.

It's also common for boards that are disliked by the rest of the site (including the mods) like /co/ and /mlp/ to get their own spinoffs to escape the shit they get on 4chan.

I actually think these tend to be the most interesting, since they usually end up having fuckall to do with the overarching culture of imageboards outside of the general format.

>>61
But gomfy:DDdd types on imageboards usually obsesses over the same stuff (memes and anime) except they actually believe they're special for liking that shit

>>62
is there a /co/ imageboard?

What are some of these "enforced" comfy sites? I can't think of any that I would label as such.

>>64
Plus4chan is all I can think of.
>>65
Mayhaps you need to think harder? Sushi comes to mind.

thought it was against 4chan ToS to use their name in a third party product

sidebox replies are so rude and elitist

I don't get why people act like storytime animation is a new thing that originated with TheOdd1sOut. It's existed since at least Tales of Mere Existence, which started all the way back in 2006.

hate doing things
wish there no things to do

>>68
>sidebox replies are so rude and elitist
>That's the point. They keep the rudeness out of the main thread.
I think I'm just going to start calling it "rudebox".

I feel like there is a portion of internet etiquette that is lost to most net-goers these days, like how to properly make a non-general thread, some subtlety in general conversation, and (in some cases, but not all) how to have a proper honest debate (although the latter has always been a problem online). There is a missing aspect relating to interaction on forum and imageboard-based platforms (mostly imageboards because of their anonymous nature) like this which make them more susceptible to shitposting and low-effort content dissemination without strong "cyber-cultural" cohesion and understanding of constructive and destructive behavior. It kills me to see imageboards crumble after a surplus of users flood it's gates and in a way re-write the established precedent. I hope I'm not the only one who's noticed a kind of directionlessness on imageboards and imageboard culture as a whole.

>>72
I don't think we should necessarily be so consciously focused on this sort of thing.

What I liked about the web in the 90s and 2000s was how little most of the people using it thought what they were doing mattered. People didn't hold themselves to any standards but their own. Everyone just kind of did their thing and it was wonderful.

Why do internet cartoons still rely so heavily on meme humor? Even short cutsie animations rely heavily on anime meme culture and always have 8 bit kirby music in the background. Communities like newgrounds could be kicking the animation industry's ass right now if their creators were more original and creators learned to branch out to different art styles

>>74
The meme concept ruined internet humor as a whole, because they confuse any sort of joke or humor with a meme, and if it's not a meme, they'll try and turn it in to one. The latter consists of posting the joke repeatedly in a way that people find relatable.

>>74
Speaking personally as an animator, it's just a fun type of cartoon to make.

>>73
When I say "etiquette", I don't mean like table manners, I more mean how we "do things", I guess you could say. Things have definitely changed, and I'd say they've changed for the worse.

>>77
I know. And what I'm saying is there was no way of doing things back then. Every website was its own unique experience. If anything, the issue is that we have too much etiquette now.

>>27
I have a project where I translate things one in every 100 blue moons: https://gitlab.com/nopromises-s.
If you're still around, we could start with a simple transcription.

It's been made quite apparent that there are only so many quality if not non-cancerous users.

There needs to be more outdoor fitness places. Getting to exercise and move around in the sun is one of the most fun things in the world.

I've noticed a lot of people that regularly play old online FPS games all tend to have pretty cool voices. Instead of wasting their lives drinking a 12 pack and playing counter strike every day after work, they should get a career in voice acting

>>82
I would much rather refine my fps skills so I eventually get recruited in a team and win the fat esports money

The Debian maintainer of fcitx-rime must be asleep at the wheel. It's broken two times in one month now.

Why do some people say they "only listen to video game soundtracks"? VGM isn't all the same, there's tons of different genres used in video game background music

>>85
They're obviously not all the same genre but there are typically characteristics associated with video game soundtracks. Furthermore most people, myself included, don't care about genre categories beyond the basics so it's easier to say "I like video game soundtracks" than it is to say "I like rock" for the latter implies knowledge of rock music. There's also the factor of video game music not being considered "real music" by the armchair elitists.

The point is being able to enjoy music while avoiding the baggage associated with music, I think. I remember when I was very open about my music tastes and in turn was judged harshly to the point of my character regularly being assassinated. It wasn't a very fun time, that I can tell you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83FaRj0oG70

Why do insincere people always use exclamation marks?

(ex: "wow, that's so interesting!!!!!!")

>>88
They use them to be hyperbolic I guess. Call to attention their own insincerity.

I hate when people try to draw 90s anime and overemphasize on the dithering/blurriness. It's almost as bad as those graphic artists that think Miami Vice and pink grids+orange sun makes up the entirety of the 80s.

>>90 letterboxing, film grain/digital noise, colour abberration...
uurhh, it's awful

>>90
They're trying too hard but missing the mark.

>>90
What's the point of consciously emulating someone else's style anyway?
>>91
What do you mean by letterboxing?

creative exercise of learning their style to apply to your own. I think they're bored mostly.

>>94
No its a trend on social media

I like this one of this new trend.

So apparently people are getting popular youtuber's sponsorships taken away. If people put pressure on all of the sponsorships, will people stop making yt vids for money and start making them for fun again?

>>93 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterboxing_(filming) they added two black borders to simulate this effect.

when you get down to it there is nothing bad you can do to a dead baby, since it's already dead
you could eat a dead baby and be in the clear morally

>>99
Well, as long as it's your property.

Lots of people describe slow imageboards as "comfy", but honestly I think the exact opposite. The comfiest days of imageboards in my personal opinion, were the days when most mods would sign off for the night, and for night owls that meant post whatever you want. This was most fun on the nerdier boards on 4chan, like /co/. Pic related was an injoke people used to post when mods were out for the night. I think you can guess what those threads were about

>>27,79
https://gitlab.com/morugesso/evangelion/-/blob/master/A6aTtQED_D8.ass
Working on it.

>>103
Wow I need to check this place more often. That's real cool of you. I posted again the side thread for >>79 if that was you.

Anyone get decision paralysis from all the type of hentai content in the world? Doujinshi and manga, eroge and nukige, images and CG sets, professional and amateur animation, non-VN games of all kind like RPGMaker games, Era games, 3D games, etc., audio...

>>105
I'm a brave warrior who pushes past the confusion and just aims to slay everything in sight.

Trump wants to regulate/delete the internetz. I know a lot of people will freak out at this, but this means we can have secret clubs again. BBS will be our only way of communication (normal people will just communicate via cellphones)

It's funny how bad canadian cartoons that aired on Cartoon Network in the mid 2000s created a whole league of fart fetishist Gen Z-ers

>>108
sheila broflovski predicted this

Why did so many middle school kids think airhumping was funny in the 2000s

>>110 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwl_wihgalk you mean this? maybe it's because their parents got angry at them when they sung the song

In the western animation industry, everything that isn't a storyboard or a background is lumped under the vague label of "design", making it infuriating to figure out who actually drew what.

Pic related, it's a "design" (actually a layout) from Gumball.

Why old Japanese people look like white people

Crazy idea. Mecha anime combined with spirits. Humans are spirits the sentient mecha use to power themselves up. It's almost like the inverse of the traditional pilot-mecha relationship.

Honestly people are fucked up, like really fucked in the head (for example their idea of justice)
But because society doesn't seem to give a damn about it they're not considered fucked up
You can't convince me not to be antisocial, even if the chances of me being charged as a criminal or being beat up by an angry mob for the most ridiculous reasons is small I'd rather not risk it
I'd rather die alone

It's strange, I have a melancholy much bigger than any time I ever had one, yet I don't feel like talking about it. Strange indeed

Why did hipsters have to make old video games and old monitors so expensive? eBay prices are so fucking insane these days, and thrift stores are a lost cause. I remember when you could buy the original Super Mario Bros for the NES for like 1 dollar at thrift stores

Is youtube's autocomplete ignoring certain worlds? I was searching for a song called "suicide" and it wouldn't show up until the whole word was typed in.

>>118
https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/7368877
>We don’t allow predictions associated with violent or gory content that's primarily intended to be shocking, sensational, or gratuitous.
>We don’t allow predictions that contain sexually explicit, obscene or vulgar language.

>>118
even the "nigga" is censored

>>120

This has been eating away at my mind for a while now; should I just give up ever trying to pitch an animated show to TV or "newage TV" streaming services like Netflix? I've been in circles where someone knew a powerful person that bugged [adult swim] into greenlighting a potential live action comedy series similar to Million Dollar Extreme's World Peace. And well, they didn't get the show obviously, but they did end up flying out to LA and talking to people at [as]. But this is just live action we're talking about, animation is completely different and I can imagine is a lot harder to sell to people that need to plan out how many episodes are scheduled to be made. [adult swim] is still the most willing to let internet "rookies" have their own shows, but even then the people that manage to get their passion projects greenlit have made tons of friendships/industry connections. Me being basically unsociable and white+penis, my chances of making friends with a lot of people in the industry are next to zero. Nicholas Walstrom is one person I can think of that's in a similar situation (diagnosed aspergers and really nerdy about animation), and in a podcast he's told a story about how a woman working at Stoopid Monkey Studios tattled on him and wanted him to be fired because he was being spergy and she got creeped out by him. Working in the animation industry seems like it would be a dream job full of passionate people that know their shit and have a more liberal mindset (not in the radical twitter leftist way), but it seems like every day someones trying to be the next Katie Rice/Robyn Byrd and probably #MeToo'ing an innocent guy with aspergers in the process. IIRC that happened to the creator of the CN show Clarence.

>>122
US "animation" industry is a joke so you'd probably have to make it outside of that sphere if you really want to do something like that.

>>122
The sorts of things you're describing can be applied to basically any industry where people work in an office. People have been throwing eachother under the bus for their own personal gain since the beginning of time. That's just how life is, and the sooner you learn to accept it the better.

>>122
(an addendum to >>124)
Social media also tends to make things seem more frequent and severe than they are. If things really were the way twitter made them out to be, the animation industry, along with all of hollywood, would have completely fallen apart by the late 2010s.

>>125
But it did.

I've been out of the loop on modern cartoons; do comic book artists still have better ideas than cartoonists do

I was used as a political tool once, I'll never fall for it, hopefully, ever again.
I should be my own tool for myself.

>>128
I know it's preaching to the choir, but the way politics on the internet is handled is cancerous, and seems far too close to being an outright mental illness in some cases. People treat the process like a football game, and don't seem to have any serious principles or morals outside of owning the other team. It's sickening to when you realize it, and what's worse is how easy it is to fall in to such habits.

Correction people who are wrong on the internet turned out to be far more serious and damaging than anyone imagined.

>>128
What for? Like gamergate?

man I always thought these subthreads were garbo but it's reached the point where it's absolutely cancerous

I've never understood why the standard in most Lisp-like languages is to just dump all the parenthesis at the end of each line.

For me at least, something like

(defvar a (read))

(cond
((= a 10)
(format t "a is 10")
)
((> a 10)
(format t "a is greater than 10")
(cond
((< a 20)
(format t " but less than 20")
)
)
)
((< a 10)
(format t "a is less than 10")
(cond
((> a -1)
(format t ", although it isn't negative")
)
(t (format t ". It's also negative"))
)
)
)

is way easier to both read and write than

(defvar a (read))

(cond
((= a 10)
(format t "a is 10"))
((> a 10)
(format t "a is greater than 10")
(cond
((< a 20)
(format t " but less than 20"))))
((< a 10)
(format t "a is less than 10")
(cond
((> a -1)
(format t ", although it isn't negative"))
(t (format t ". It's also negative")))))

>>133
Maybe you're just focusing too much on the parenthesis to begin with. If you have a half decent editor that can at least highlight matching parenthesis when your cursor goes over one then it's really not a problem.
The top one is only more "readable" if your goal is to make sure every parenthesis is in the right place. But that's not usually the readers goal.
If you're trying to understand what the code does then the bottom one is much more readable.

>>133
Make use of square brackets in cond statments.

Bizarre entries in Google's Japanese input dictionary. Jesus.
"gook Abe" "gook Chinkland" "fuck gooks" "Korea's shit-eating culture"
https://github.com/google/mozc/issues/404

>>135
That actually helps a lot. I keep forgetting you can do that in lisp.

I wonder if someone could make books using the sort of fabric you see used in clothing instead of paper.

Paper's an extremely delicate material; it rips apart if you tug on it too hard, it's really easy to crumple and almost impossible to smooth it back out, if you get it wet it basically melts, etc. I'm amazed there hasn't been more experimentation with other materials seeing how much paper sucks.

I have entered a full anime anxiety crisis. I can't tell easily whether an anime will be worth my time or not, and I don't have the time or energy of my youth to mindlessly watch the seasonal schlock /a/ consumes just to fit in. I'd rather not spend even one hour watching something only to drop it. With live action movies it's much easier to tell whether I'll enjoy something or not, in fact I can't remember the last time I watched a movie I thought was a waste of my time.

>>139
You're watching anime incorrectly. A show is only not worth watching if it's boring. If it's not boring, just enjoy the ride and find something to appreciate in everything you watch. If you've already watched quite a few things, you should be able to spot the things you would be interested in. If you're worried about "wasting time" watch short ovas that look interesting.

In addition to what >>141 said, there's also a lot of great shorts. People don't talk about them as much, but I honestly think they're some of the best the medium has to offer (this also extends to the western industry by the way).

Is there really a right way and a wrong way to watch anime? It's too bad that it isn't easy to find real people who share the same tastes. Consuming the shlock to build up one's capability to spot the things that interest them can be quite frustrating.

>>143
Just use myanimelist. Look at the premise, look at the genre, look at the studio, and maybe look at some user reviews. Starting off with "entry-level" stuff that looks interesting and digging into recommendations is all you have to do.

>>139
Just watch more anime, once you're familiar enough with the codes you can guess how most shows will play out in 2/3 episodes. Sometimes just the synopsis is enough even. Or just switch to manga since it reads faster

>>139
Anime strikes me as a medium in which shows with unique premises can end up being borings slogfests and shows with generic premises can end up as interesting sleeper hits. Have you tried filtering shows by writer/director/studio association? It's not a method that's guaranteed to work 100% but it's usually a better bet than going into a show blind or based merely on it's genre.

>>146
I'd call anime a style moreso than a medium, but you're right. I find that a lot of it comes down to pacing. Some shows are very tightly written and have something interesting happen every episode, while others are 90% filler with the important bits spread out inbetween.

>>147
"anime" is not a style, jesus christ. And on top of that, whether 'important things' are happening or not matters a lot less than the overall direction.

>>146
It depends on the source material. Most light novels and their adaptations are like that. Interesting premise, boring execution.

I have this deep hatred for people who are purists when it comes to art; the people who only like one subset of a medium and call everything else shit. You see it the most with anime fans and retro gamers, but it's not exclusive to them. Classic rock people, for example, tend to have this sort of mindset a lot.

The sort of thing I'm talking about is distinct from personal preference; if you only like music from the 90s and earlier that's fine. What I'm talking about is the people who make media consumption a religion. They're the type of people who constantly bang on about how the thing they like is the best and will take any opportunity they can to try and convince everyone else to agree with them.

If these people just shut up already I'd be a much happier man.

Mobile computing is kind of seen as a foregone conclusion, at least in the real of security advocates and tech enthusiasts. Too many people I associate with and read from fail to even mention mobile angles, or if they do it is disparagingly.

I can see the reasoning behind this: mobile networks and applications are designed such that you can't even avoid fingerprinting. It is not that your use of the network enables a fingerprint. Rather, a fingerprint is requisite. A mobile network subscriber card, a device registered with a network provider, an account in the app store with a saved credit card and email to facilitate updates and purchases. Non-optional adware and bloatware. To lock down a mobile device is not so simple as flipping some switches, disabling scripts and connecting to a VPN. All of these processes are arcane and buried in (inherently, perhaps purposefully) user-unfriendly mobile software. The operating system itself refuses to allow you to modify it beyond a certain basic point without explicitly enabling developer mode via manufacturer-specific rituals and with the aid of a PC. Application development is resource-intensive and there is a limited supply of mobile oriented developers, even the best of them handicapped by aforementioned conditions.

Even still. It's too easy to not recognize an opportunity in the mobile sphere. Mobile devices are the most accessible and common technology in the world today. They outnumber personal computers 3 to 1. There is a need for security and user-minded developers. There is a desire for such. However, the groundwork for an enthusiast mobile sphere is too messy. Jailbreaking and chip or ROM modding is exclusive to the tech savvy and often poorly documented or supported, despite the constantly changing techniques and technologies involved. Android, far and away the dominant mobile OS, has made installing apps not listed on their store next to impossible for the populace at large. Getting around this involves an even hairier process of sideloading or adjusting your preferred app store. Inspired mobile development is a seemingly fruitless endeavor.

I wonder about how this might be changed. More and more mobile carriers are locking phones to their service and we are lucky to have GSM support in many models. There are mobile network alternatives but those, too, have an impressive knowledge and infrastructure barrier to their implementation. To change these conditions would require a concerted effort. But it is absolutely imperative to the cause of digital freedom at large. I can't help but ponder a potential futures where every phone is unlocked, globally usable, able to take full advantage of mobile mesh technologies with every conceivable desktop application supporting a mobile operating system with minor adjustments. I hope and pray that the stigma against mobile devices can end, and real efforts made toward opening them up for the conscious user.

For me, one of the most important qualities any work in any medium can have is density. For instance, I'd much rather play a two hour game where every second is fun than an eight hour one where it drags a bunch. If I'm not being engaged than my time is being wasted, and I hate having my time wasted.

It's interesting how on the Japanese web there's virtually no presence of an IT crowd in otaku places whereas on the English web it feels like every other person has something to do with IT.

Japan messed up with computer education from both academia and public interest

>>154
I think it's because current western anime fans are far less reclusive and shy about what they watch, since anime is viewed as more acceptable now than before. It still bothers me hearing people brag about "waifus" and make looses references to e-hentai tags on big sites.

>>156
Anime fans have the same issue that furries do; they spend so much time online and/or at cons talking to like-minded people that they grow to believe that the weird nerdy shit they do is normal, or at least more common than it is.

>>157
Normal is overrated. Normalfags have swarmed anime and a large section of "fans" now care more about the social aspect than the actual interest. They watch things just so they can talk about it, which is why they tend to ignore anything that isn't currently airing or continously super popular. On top of that they tend to bitch about loli and imouto stuff.

>>156
I don't think that's what he was talking about. In Japan being an anime otaku isn't necessarily connected to PC otaku interests (anymore, that used to correlate more in the 90s and 2000s), whereas in the Anglosphere the biggest method of distribution of anime was online piracy.

I wish I could be 'worked to death' in the animation industry rather than being worked to death on a hot ass roof tearing off shingles all day. Seriously, if I could swap places with someone that gets to work on cartoons, even the most obscure pbs show no one knows about, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Why do selfish assholes always get my dreamjob goddamn it

>>160
Start putting drawings up online and you're 90% of the way there. Studios only care about two things; a good portfolio, and the ability to work well with others.

I'm eager for Cyberpunk 2077 getting enough exposure and finally un-cooling vapor/synth stupids with their stupid grids and their stupid pink filters and their stupid purple smokescreens and their stupid vhs glitch effects. Gibson didn't envision cyberpunk as endless 1980s kitsch. Back when a Neuromancer film adaption was planned in the 90s and early 00s he noted that the one most suited for his vision was Chris Cunningham - whose work at the time was seen by people as highly ambitious and 'futuristic' - while 80s kitsch was considered just that, kitsch.
This is another thing which goes against the stupid revisionist claim that the 1980s were the last time when people were forward thinking and futuristic, and that everything since has been living in the shadow of the 1980s. Retards with little reference only thought so because 80s kitsch was this ~unique~ and ~weird~ style having the privilege of underexposure, while late 90s and early 00s characteristics were more or less still prominent and as such treated as everyday noise. Both of these have fallen under the "not as much" category luckily enough so things ought to revert sooner or later.

>>161
And robust skill. I don't know if anon >>160 has any but I have none and am too old to get it.

Unwanted language facts #1234: "fajita" is etymologically related to "fascism".

>>161
It's not that simple, telling that anon lies like this is even more insulting than telling him he'll never get a job on cartoons. The truth is even getting a storyboarding job isn't as simple as "here's my gallery of deviantart fanfics I've made over the years, now hire me CN". It's a lot more disgusting and cliquey, and it pretty much always has been except now the higher up artists (especially the political ones on twitter) all have a savior complex and only want to hire artists they like. If you make it obvious you're just networking with them they will never except you. You need to have friends to make cartoons, which is why so many cartoons look the same nowadays, because they're all made by a clique of friends. Maybe someday the animation industry will have some big creative shift again, once the people that eat up the garbage CN shits out get bored of it like everyone else, all it takes is one creative guy to make an original cartoon and then people will start craving cartoons that dont suck. But since TV is on its way out the door and streaming services are "the future", things will probably get a lot weirder. Just know that, things will never be as simple as "Nickelodeon hires the guy that made JTHM" or "girl makes a flash cartoon and gets picked up by nick" ever again. [adult swim] gives you the option to pitch a show to them on their website but even those guys can't be trusted anymore.

Seeing this talk about the how bad the animation industry is makes me think about how the fine/high art industry is. I wonder how hard it is to make it big inside the high art world. It seems like you get a lot more freedom since art in it doesn't (and is actually encouraged not to) appeal to a popular audience. Also high artists are weird as hell. I wonder if getting your art into a big museum like moma are something is similarly cliquey.

>>167
Contemporary art in particular is a huge money laundering circlejerk whose ultimate retort to criticism (be it casual or analytical) is "you just don't get it"

>>167
I'm sure you've just got to find a wealthy patron. Contrary to what most people think, Michelangelo died a rich man while pretending he was a starving artist.

I feel kind of boring. The people I connect with all seem to be up to something interesting, i.e. gaming, drawing, other forms of creation, but I'm just here sitting and watching, either learning online or fiddling around with my computer. I'm not a very good gamer, but I am pretty bored. What is there to do?

>>172
try being happy

>>172
calisthenics

>>166
>You need to have friends to make cartoons, which is why so many cartoons look the same nowadays, because they're all made by a clique of friends

I've worked in animation before, and while nepotism is definitely a thing, it's not as if the industry is impenetrable like you think it is. Tons of people get into the industry for their work, you just need to make something that catches the eye of a showrunner.

> Maybe someday the animation industry will have some big creative shift again, once the people that eat up the garbage CN shits out get bored of it like everyone else, all it takes is one creative guy to make an original cartoon

That's not really how it works. Creative shifts occur gradually as new generations enter the industry. For example, people attribute a lot of the way modern cartoons are to Adventure Time, but even if Adventure Time never came out we would've still got Regular Show, Gumball, and Uncle Grandpa, all of which were pitched and/or in development before Adventure Time aired.

Likewise, there was no singular show that brought about the late-80s animation renascence. Everyone agreed that what was being done before was bad, so they just kind of started doing stuff that wasn't that.

>and then people will start craving cartoons that dont suck
People still enjoy modern cartoons even though the old ones are still available, so I doubt that they'd stop enjoying them if something new came along.

>Just know that, things will never be as simple as "Nickelodeon hires the guy that made JTHM" or "girl makes a flash cartoon and gets picked up by nick" ever again.

That sort of thing slowed down because the whole indie scene kind of died out by ~2013. When's the last time you saw people drawing fanart for a web series? (pilots like Hazbin Hotel don't count)

With that said, Rick and Morty, one of the biggest cartoons around today, started out as a web cartoon.

>[adult swim] gives you the option to pitch a show to them on their website but even those guys can't be trusted anymore.
No network should ever be "trusted". TV execs are always trouble.


By the way, this post isn't intended to "prove you wrong" per-say, since a lot of what you say is actually based in truth. It's just a lot less black and white than you seem to think it is.

>>172
A lot of people these days are more about aesthetics than creating art. You can be one of the good curators rather than a bad one.

I wish full-on web animated series were a thing again. The only way to make internet cartoons financially viable these days is to either make storytime stuff or do parodies.

Don't get me wrong; there's plenty of great stuff being done today, and from a purely technical standpoint a lot of it is better than ever. I just miss the days when people would try to make their own "anime" on newgrounds.

>>175
>Likewise, there was no singular show that brought about the late-80s animation renascence.
Most of those shows people remember fondly were animated by Japanese studios. The two biggest problems with the animation industry are that art students aren't expected to know how to draw from life and be good draftsmen anymore and the economy of America isn't suited for it. It's all a fucking joke. The future of animation is in ai. Only when single people or small teams can make substantial lengths of animation within a relatively small budget and time period will decent animation be viable in the west, loli porn and all.

>>178
>Most of those shows people remember fondly were animated by Japanese studios
By the time cartoons started getting good again, very few shows would have been done entirely in Japan. American cartoons also started putting a ton of emphasis on western-drawn layouts and model sheets and style guides by that time, so there really wouldn't have been a ton of creative input from the eastern studios by that point anyway. If you were a Japanese animator and you added any of your own style to the show, you'd get yelled at for it (unless you worked at TMS, but they were a weird exception).

>The two biggest problems with the animation industry are that art students aren't expected to know how to draw from life and be good draftsmen anymore and the economy of America isn't suited for it
It's been like that for decades. I'll bet a lot of your favorite childhood cartoons were made by people who couldn't really draw all too great.

I'll argue that you don't need to be a great draftsman to make good art, you just need to know how to tell stories with it. Osamu Tezuka, the godfather of anime and manga, was a pretty mediocre artist, but he was also a fantastic storyteller, so everyone loved him.

Also, a lot of the people who draw the simple style that's popular today actually *can* do more detailed stuff, they just prefer not to. For instance, Ian Jones-Quarty, the creator of OK KO, was an artist on Venture Bros and did stuff like pic related.

>The future of animation is in ai.
Maybe. I'm not really sure how I feel about that. I guess it's not hugely different from outsourcing when it comes to creative input, but I don't really like the idea of art drawn by a computer.

>Only when single people or small teams can make substantial lengths of animation within a relatively small budget and time period will decent animation be viable in the west
It already is though; we have ToonBoom. Once you've made a rig, you can make it do whatever you want for nothing. Even lipsync is taken care of for you. For this very reason, a good chunk of the shows done in ToonBoom and similar programs actually have animation done in the west.

As for why we don't see more small scale indie stuff, I honestly think it's mostly cultural. Americans tend to think of things in terms of "big budget things that matter, and low budget garbage that doesn't". If we could just change this mentality, we would see an explosion of great content produced for cheap.

>loli porn and all.
What an odd marker for quality. Don't get me wrong; I like kinky shit too, and the west definitely needs a bigger cartoon porn scene, but I wouldn't call it high art (although you can have high art porn, but that's beside the point).

Again though, the lack of porn is mostly cultural. The talent is here, Americans are just too afraid of sex to do anything with it.

I think the notion of "high art" has always been silly. Like calling things "childish" vs "mature". Really, what's the difference between adults and children fundamentally? Adults are just as petty, just as self-centered and just as hedonistic. Adults are essentially children who just wanted to fit in society because they learned to fear social rejection.

An analogy similar to the naked emperor can be made. The emperor is only naked in so far as the consensus is that he is naked - if not, then for all intents and purposes the emperor is just wearing his stylish new clothes.

>>182
I think we should just outright kill the linear quality meme.

If two works are completely different in tone, style, demographic, etc. then you shouldn't even begin to compare them. What makes a good shonen anime is completely different from what makes a good cartoon sitcom, what makes a good 2D platformer is completely different from what makes a good RTS, and what makes a good prog rock song is completely different from what makes a good rap.

>>181
>unless you worked at TMS, but they were a weird exception
Weird exception or not, many of the shows cited as examples of the best western animation were done by them like animanicas and batman the animated series.
>I'll bet a lot of your favorite childhood cartoons were made by people who couldn't really draw all too great
I was born after the year 2000 and had a computer. My childhood favorites were anime. I don't revere stuff I liked as a kid either and being liked by kids really isn't indicative of quality. Good art may not be necessary for good story-telling, but animation is a visual medium and there's at least a correlation between the quality of the two. Japan has expanded far beyond hammy 70s stuff, while in the west only every once in a blue moon something better than average is allowed to be made. The sheer volume of decent anime that has been made and continues to be made is staggering.

>they just prefer not to
I don't buy that almost everybody is happy making things as ugly as ok ko and are not interested in doing something more ambitious on a regular basis. Budget restraints and demographic restrictions are obviously also a factor. This "everything is subjective man" shit really gets under my skin. Good craftmanship is a real thing and not respecting it and pursuing it is the plague that's killing art.

>we have ToonBoom
I highly doubt you can make something like the first season of one punch man with toonboom. A computer that can draw inbetween frames with the same skill as a human being is the only way I can see for people to escape a suffocating, prudish culture where everything is about money, ugliness is preferred and mediocrity is praised. Loli is indicative of the right mindset for robust, quality animation output because it's all about freedom and aesthetic worship. Something like the Daicon IV opening animation was produced by college students without any help from computers. Almost 40 years later and where are we now?

>The production facility for Daicon IV was in a dedicated studio in a building called the Hosei Kaikan that was owned by a textile union. Takeda defined it as a literal anime sweatshop, the building was shut down at 9:00 pm and a majority of the staff would be locked inside and working through the night without air conditioning. The Daicon IV film officially credits a production crew of twelve people. Hiroyuki Yamaga directed the production of Daicon IV with Hideaki Anno and Takami Akai as animation directors. Toru Saegusa did the artwork and the animations were done with Yoshiyuki Sadamoto, Mahiro Maeda, Norifumi Kiyozumi; additional animation was provided by Ichiro Itano, Toshihiro Hirano, Narumi Kakinouchi, Sadami Morikawa, Kazutaka Miyatake.

>>184
I was going to address this point by point again, but I honestly think it'd be better if I just went with the broad strokes for this one

My unironic advice is that if you don't like American cartoons, don't watch them. Because they're never going to go in a direction you actually like.

Even if they increased greatly in quality, to the point where every show is on par with the best of what Disney and Warner Bros were doing in the 90s, and with all of the animation being done frame by frame entirely in-house , you still wouldn't like them, because you just don't like cartoons.

The type of animation you want is something that Americans don't really want to make or watch. Try brining up loli porn to some guy on the street and see how he reacts.

I'm not saying you're wrong for only wanting anime; there's a lot of places where I personally agree that the western industry should be more like the eastern one. My point is more that it's not going to happen, the only way it could happen is if US culture completely changed, and if you live in the US you should work on moving out because you're never going to be happy here.

>>185
I know there's other people in the US who share my preferences. My hope is that technology makes the entertainment industry obsolete. Even VAs will be replaceable. When that happens, no guy on the street will matter.

>>183
To add to this, imagine a fanservice show for fans of a specific toy line. Would you recommend it to people who aren't fans of the specific toy line? Most likely not, because it likely has no merit beyond the fanservice. But it does its job, that is it satisfies that specific urge for fanservice related to the toy line.

>>182
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Quality is much more complex than people like to think it is. Objective appeal is definitely a thing, but at the same time, there's also many different ways something can be appealing, some of which are mutually exclusive.

The big eyes, big heads, small noses, delicate features and coy acting cute appeal used in both Anime and American animated movies is the exact opposite of the small heads, strong jaws, well-defined musculature and stoic "heroic" appeal used in greek sculptures and older American comic books, yet they're both very appealing art styles.

Ultimately, I don't think that the question should be "what is quality?", it should be "why is this quality?". You should only analyze something once you've already formed an opinion on it.

What is with the Japanese and mansions owned by evil characters?

My ultimate goal in life is to make well animated gay furry porn. Once I've accomplished that I can die happy.

>>189
You ever read a mystery novel?

>>191
No, the trope can't be that common in mystery novels right?

>>192
They are a very prominent part of the genre. If I were to hazard a guess as to why, it's probably because it lets you put a small set of characters in a large area without having it feel weird that they're the only ones there.

That aside, I think the reason you noticed it in Japanese media specifically that Japanese storytelling tends to be very openly trope-y, making it easier to notice things like this.

I hate parents that overdiscipline there kids.

Growing up, the kids who got into the most trouble were the ones with the strictest parents. I had one friend in paticular who would always get her DS taken away, so her response was to find where her parents hid it and take it back.

Constant punishment doesn't teach kids to act better, it just teaches them to get better at avoiding consequence.

>>194
I don't like parents, but I really hate bad ones even if they have the best of intentions.

>>193
>They are a very prominent part of the genre. If I were to hazard a guess as to why, it's probably because it lets you put a small set of characters in a large area without having it feel weird that they're the only ones there.
This is part of it, but the most important part of it is that it's a closed circle. It limits your possible suspects, and guides the reader towards figuring out who it is without the easy out (for both the reader and the author) of "well, it wasn't any of these people".

I love moths

Would Jojo's Bizarre Adventure count as a surrealist action cartoon? If not, what would a legit surrealist action cartoon look like?
Furthermore, what would a Dadaist action cartoon look like? Should such a thing even exist?

>>199
Kemonozume?

>>199
it probably was influenced by surrealism when you look at the art, but overall the storyline is relatively orthodox. I imagine a surrealist cartoon would be more lolrandumb, like Milky Holmes mixed with Jojo and Dead Leaves or something.
>what would a Dadaist action cartoon look like?
like horseshit

>>201
Max fleisher made literal surrealist cartoons back in the early 20th century. They're all have these weird non-plots where shit just kind of happens for the sake of it.

As for dada, I'd probably say the closest equivalent is those 3D shitpost animations you see on YouTube where characters T-pose everywhere.

I think wall scrolls are a really nifty way of putting art in even small rooms. I grabbed four landscape scrolls recently, and they have nice to have. It's unfortunate that outside of Asian paintings, other wall scrolls are commonly seasonal anime, or seasonal anime pin-ups.
I've been thinking about making some custom ones for myself.

>>203
>I've been thinking about making some custom ones for myself.
Sounds like a good idea. Go for it.

>>>203
What about tapestries? I was going to make a joke about hanging up dakimakura covers. Rugs add a lot of character to a room, too. If you know who sysadmin is, people usually compliment his Umineko “paintings,” but they’re just framed printed canvasses.

>>205
I was thinking about that one upon a time before I grabbed some scrolls, but I hadn't considered it again recently. They seem pretty big and can be used to cover a wall or two, so I may grab one I think looks neat too. I don't have much room in my room, so I can't get too wild with decor, but I wanted something to help make my little rental as comfy as possible. Been recovering from a nasty mix of burnt out, stress and depression, and I want to get my mood as high up as possible.

>>205
>was going to make a joke about hanging up dakimakura covers
really adds a nice flair to a room

That feel when you have over 100 accumulated browser tabs open in private mode and your browser crashes and you lose it all
Why do I do this to myself every time

>>208
I have similar problems, bookmarking hundreds of things, opening hundreds of tabs, downloading hundreds of things, writing hundreds of reminders, etc. and of course it's all unsorted so it's for naught.

I've got:
* over 150000 unsorted images. Help me God.
* roughly 3500 flash files, mostly unsorted.
* 463 bookmarks, all unsorted.
* 236 tabs, some of them first opened over 5 years ago.
And of course, a stack of around 50 sheets of paper on my desk, reminding me of things to do, books to read, and files to sort.

>>208
I do the exact same thing, but periodically dump all the open tabs into my bookmarks as reminders to get back to them in case anything crashes. I never do. Occasionally I just go and delete large chunks of bookmarks. I never end up deleting anything important, since I don't know what most of it is anyways, and there's no chance I'll ever get around to actually checking it after all these years.

>>207
That room would be pretty impressive if it belonged to a Western otaku. I wonder what his shower curtains look like...
>>208
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>>210
We could be friends if our shared habit of playing browser Russian roulette is anything to go by. I have lost twice in recent months though add electricity fluctuations during storms and Windows updates to the list of causes. Oh well it was mostly porn anyway. It's too bad I'll never be part of a working group to brush through all these links with a fine-tooth comb.

I find it amazing that, in a lot of ways, insects like ants, bees and termites are much more civilized creatures than humans.

A lot of things humans have had to learn manually over the course of millennia are built right into the insects' DNA. If we experienced a major world-wide disaster, it'd set us back thousands of years. But termites would just start building new mounds, same as they ever have.

>>212
At least one British observer remarked the Chinese are the most civilized people in the entire world.

You always see fangames and discussion surrounding them, but where are all the fancomics? Not counting the porn ones obviously.

>>214
There's volumes upon volumes of doujin manga, ero or not. I don't know what you mean.

>>215
Yes but where are the translations? Where are the discussions surrounding them?

>>216
Translations are anywhere else you'd find doujinshi/manga. Discussion, I don't know.

I don't know why people get so pissy about the "free to play game with cosmetic DLC" thing. Methinks its the best possible model a game can have. The devs can still make money off their game while you the player have access to what is essentially the full experience for free. It's a win-win.

i think the hardliners are against the f2p model

The full experience being, by necessity... centralised game server matchmaking tedium. All so nobody can start an UNLICENSED PIRATE SERVER where they can pretend they have my awesome knife texture.

The illusion of reality starts dissolving when you aren't sleeping

Debates are really useless. I don't think I've yet seen anyone change their minds, or even be shamed in to silence, because they lost a debate. They just keep the same beliefs and yell them louder to compensate.

>>222
A lot of it comes from their real time nature. A debate tests how good the participants are at thinking on their feet and taking advantage of the situation, not their ability to think in general. It's hard to fully think your arguments through, and easy to let your emotions get the best of you and start slipping up.

I also think that the shame of "losing" has a lot to do with it. Accepting that you were wrong about something shouldn't be shameful.

>>222
I think debates are more for the benefit of viewers than to convince either person arguing.

>>222
That's not really the point of a debate. You can win a debate with not just logos but also ethos and pathos. Ultimately people believe in their intuition and attempt to reason back from that.

The skirt swooshes in the Nitijou animation opening.

>>226
Nano has a strong skirt swoosh too.

Learning Lisp ruined other languages for me. Every time I use special syntax in a language like Python I feel like I'm committing some sort of sin.

Just learned about transparent select in MS Paint. This changes everything.

>>208
I have over 2000 tabs open.

I can't recover from an accident last year in which I caused my PC to be destroyed. I didn't care about most of the hardware except for my HDDs which were my entire life.
The stuff I collected was my own little world, and it was the only thing that made my shit life somewhat bearable.
Without my files I'm nothing, without them I can't do anything.
I've been living like a vegetable for a year now. My computer was the only thing that kept me alive. I can't describe the emptiness. I can't take it anymore.

That's quite a lot. This is why people need 128GB of RAM. I'm amazed you can even get that far without crippling crashes.

It's a shame you did not have backups. I'm not as much of a hoarder as you, but I would have felt a similar loss. I'm really living on borrowed time to move all my text into the cloud. I wonder what kind of data manipulator you are.

Why does everyone act as web animation is dead?

It's not like it isn't a thing anymore. There's just as many if not more animation channels on YouTube than there were in the 2000s, and they get pretty high subscriber and view counts. Guys like Sr Pelo and Cas van de Pol are super popular. Sure, YouTube doesn't pay very well anymore but that's what patreon is for.

The web has been the future for western animation since the mid-2000s and that's not changing any time soon.

>>230 What happened?

How low are one's balls supposed to hang? I ask because I'm afraid mine might be too low.

Heyuri's owner doxxed himself after being threatened to be doxxed and his staff have turned against him. The website is currently dead after the owner wiped everything because of the massive spam attacks.

>>235
why did he even need a staff
it's not like anyone posted there

I lost all my tabs, again.

time to start saving tabs on the cloud

>>238
Saving stuff on other people's computers is not such a bad idea if it's unimportant yet something you want access to years down the line.

On the internet, there's always the option to not engage in discussion
Even if you already engaged, it's never too late to disengage.

once i engage i wont stop until they fall off their horse

I wish western nerds respected authors in the same way eastern otaku do. Westerners think of creatives as these magical content pumps that exist solely to please them, which is a very shitty, unbalanced way to look at things.

Artists, writers, filmmakers, game devs, all put in way more effort to make something than you do to consume it, and they deserve recognition for the effort they put in. I'm not saying they need the level of reverence that a doctor or surgeon does, but you should at least appreciate that they did a thing that you didn't/couldn't.

I think it comes back to the artlessness of westerners (esp. Americans) in general. The only medium people kind of respect here is literature, and even then most people don't give a shit about it.

> I think it comes back to the artlessness of westerners (esp. Americans) in general. The only medium people kind of respect here is literature, and even then most people don't give a shit about it.

This is a prime irony, given that Americans consume an absurd level of entertainment. We see illustration plastered nearly everywhere, Netflix is a given, Music is massive, and if you count Video Games as art (I do personally), it's one of the biggest industries around period. But despite all that, Americans treat the people who make these things as having little worth, people to be used, abused, and then tossed away.
But then again, is sometimes seems like only business men are regarded as worth in America, so maybe that's par for the course?

people need to know what's good for them and just lay low sometimes

Why was my reply to this >>233 post deleted?

OK, I'll leave. You're a piece of shit.

What happened?

>>242
>>243
I recently started learning how to draw and only now grasp how hard drawing actually is. I find myself hesitating to criticize artists whose drawings are 1/3rd competent (for example an artist whose figures display a mostly correct understanding of anatomy and proportion, the wrinkles on the clothing seem OK, the colors combine well, yet the figures feel stiff and the facial expressions look derpy and the hands and feet look pudgy and there is barely any shading going on, etc.) and are clearly slowly "on their way" to total competence but are struggling. I feel bad, like criticizing them would be a spit in the face as they themselves are likely aware of what's wrong with their drawings.

>>250
People don't appreciate how hard it is to create.

If you put in the effort to create something and made an honest attempt to make it the best you could, then you deserve respect for it. Making something even mediocre is way harder than people think it is.

Honestly man, 2020 hasn't been any better or worse for me than usual.

I dislike when people start new threads just to shitpost. It clogs up the board with a bunch of nonsense that nobody's going to reply to and bumps actual threads off the board.

I think it's unfair to compare Smash to the likes of Tekken or Street Fighter. Smash might be a game about fighting, but it plays nothing like a fighting game. That's not to say it's worse or even that it's less competitive, it's just a very different type of game that requires a very different skillset to be good at.

I feel lonely because I'm an unorthodox individual, like a jack-of-all-trades but character wise. I never really fit in completely anywhere, I'm always like a social chameleon showing one color but not others out of fear of rejection which can be predicted a mile away. I now understand why I as a child fantasized about cloning myself.

I wonder how many people are out there like me?

>>255

in a group of normal people, I'm strange. in a group of weirdos I'm normal

>>256
It sucks to be in between. Same thing if you're a midwit.

Beginning to understand that strange consumerist mindset. Work feels completely unrewarding when you spend the money on nothing at all.

Modern internet "trolls" annoy me, mostly because they're not actual trolls, they're just right-wing millennials who misuse dated 4chan lingo. What ever happened to just fucking with people because it's funny? Why's everything need to be so moralized?

>>259
I think there's still people doing that, but they're younger and they do it on a different medium. Like I remember hearing about people streaming porn in unprotected zoom conferences and maybe some other stuff on tiktok or whatever websight kids use these days

There is not a single word I despise more than "dork", especially, it gets on my nerves when it's used in an endearing why. Example: "I love these two dorks". I hate it.

>>261
*way
Of course I just made a fool of myself.

No need to worry, you're among fellow fools here. :^)

>>261
I find it annoying but don't know why. I felt similarly about people describing anime characters as autistic in the past when I browsed 4chan, like the "please be patient I have autism" meme.

I hate when people randomly bump a bunch of old threads for no reason. It's disruptive. If you're going to bump a thread, please just bump one at a time.

At the end of the day burned out and mentally receded oldfags are no different than newfags larping as oldfags.

>>266
People in general care too much about who and not enough about what.

Have you noticed how internet users are losing touch with reality? The other day someone called futanari vanilla. In what universe do they live in?

>>268
Whenever you get too deep into a subject, which often happens in online communities devoted to certain things, you forget what was ever considered "normal." I've noticed this happening with myself with my interest in music. There are some albums that I might consider to be pretty easy to listen to, without considering that to the majority of people these albums are incredibly strange an experimental. Easy examples of this are Death Grips and 100 gecs, which, while I don't like these bands that much, are experimental bands that have had pretty high exposure to normal people who don't waste their life listening to experimental music all day. It was a bit of a wake up call when I saw the completely averse reactions to what I thought was just essentially slightly weird pop music (though death grips can get pretty strange). Also, some albums I might consider to be very surface level and a basic album to know about in a music community might be also incredibly unknown to the general population.

It's pretty amazing how little manga has changed since Osamu Tezuka. Pretty much everything done after him is merely a permutation of his style.

>>270
Gekiga is highly distinctive from Tezuka, in fact the whole point of it was to be in opposition to Tezuka.

>>271
They branched off pretty far in their own direction, but they're still part of the same tree. It's not like graphic novels (the movement's western counterpart), where they have basically nothing to do with mainstream comics. Gekiga still have a lot of traits that are very recognizably "manga" that came from Tezuka.

With that said, I don't think it's a bad thing. Tezuka was a fantastic artist and storyteller. He got imitated for a reason.

It annoys me how much people reference 1984, mostly because I know with a high degree of certainty that a) it's the only dystopian novel they know of, and b) they've never actually read it.

It especially annoys me when people compare the way things are now to 1984. Save for places like North Korea and (to a much lesser extent) China, the modern world is a lot closer to Bradbury than it is Orwell.

>>273
It's Huxleyan, innit?

>>273
I thought the modern world was more like Brave New World.

I don't get why there's people who think that Geno's going to somehow make it into Smash. He's only ever been in one mario game, and said game was a spinoff developed by a 3rd party company that was released decades ago with no sequels.

give me my sage back

sage

Politically minded gen-z-ers weird me the hell out. Seeing people who grew up with minecraft and regular show talking about serious social issues as if they actually have a steak in them gives me a pit in my stomach.

Most of them are literal children, and the ones that aren't still live with their parents and have never worked a full-time job. Yet for whatever reason, these people with next to no life experience have decided to form a bunch of very strong opinions on issues that they've barely, if ever, had to deal with directly, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why.

You see it a lot on both sides, but the far-right ones personally weird me out more. The idea of a kid who spends his free time posting ironic memes on social media who also happens to think that all gays are child molesters who deserve to be gassed is really offputting to me. It's this mix of traits that my brain says shouldn't exist, yet somehow does.

I don't understand the whole racist fascist scaremongering business. Years of witchunting "systematic racists" and "subconscious fascists" has led to reactionary opposition in the form of actual racists and fascists. Is it all just naive clumsiness or a genuine effort at manufacturing an enemy?

>>279
teens have always been like that, always caring about stuff; it's not a gen z thing. that's why you need wars to cull them

>>282
A lot of traits people attribute to newer generations are actually just general young people things.

Rust is to C++ as Python is to Perl

Sometimes I wonder if it would be better if people were encouraged to not have opinions on subject that while high profile, they're uninformed about.

>>285
What would be better is not encouraging people to have opinions in the first place. It's better to be ignorant than having to unlearn wrong information.

It's weird seeing people in their 30s online acting like I did when I was 15.

It's funny. I love things like Smash and Power Stone, but I can't stand more traditional fighting games.

Games in the mold of Street Fighter 2, Mortal Kombat, and especially Tekken have always felt weirdly uninvolved to me. When I play them, I feel like I'm just pressing the right sequence of buttons at the right time, as opposed to controlling a character and making them do things with said button combos.

I think a lot of it comes back to what I value in games in general. For me, good control and movement mechanics are the most important things a game can have, and I'm usually uninterested in games that aren't about that.

>>288
I agree. I can enjoy Smash but "proper" fighters just aren't fun.

>>288
Firstly you are essentially describing arena fighters and Smash even though it's not an arena fighter basically plays like one. If you've ever played that one Tom and Jerry fighting game or any one of the Dragon Ball Z Budokai Tenkaichi games then you basically already know what an arena fighter is (I haven't played Power Stone but Wikipedia describes it as an arena fighter.)

I'm not a fighting game expert by any means but it is possible to win without combos, just with fundamentals that being moving around the stage poking your opponent and grabbing them until they die - it is totally a viable playstyle including in Tekken. High-level Tekken games in fact are mostly just that but with a deadly combo as a finisher, so it's like a samurai fight with circling and minor clashes until one finds an opening and successfully ends the fight.

>>290
Addendum: I am not familiar at all with so-called "anime fighters" (games in the vein of Arcsys games) so I don't know how viable a fundamental-focused playstyle is but given how flashy they look I'm going to assume that a fundamental-focused playstyle isn't viable in them.

For me personally the annoying part of fighting games and competitive games in general is the hidden information one must study, the unintended exploits left by the developers one must abuse for advantage and the lack of good in-game tutorials. Which is why card games are my competitive games of choice - there's no hidden information, there are no unintended exploits unpatched by the developers and everything is explained so that even a 5 year old can play.

>>292
Addendum: perhaps instead of hidden information the better way to put it is hidden mechanics.

Putting your dick close to a fan on the lowest speed setting and stretching the foreskin open so that the cool breeze gently caresses the tip feels pretty good.

Protip: if you want to start enjoying games again, skip everything with a realistic artstyle. I started abiding by that policy back in ~2014, and the latter half of the 2010s gave me some of the greatest gaming experiences I've ever had.

If I find myself actually laughing at soy memes, am I too far gone?

Why do people still bother with ongoing manga and novels in 2020? I have seen so many manga and novels take a nosedive in quality by the last third of the story, get endlessly dragged on, get a rushed ending or simply get discontinued that today I refuse to read anything that isn't properly complete.

>>297
I don't see how reading stuff that's complete will save you from any of that.

>>298
I can hear from people who have read it and I can read reviews warning me about these things.

>>299
And you're just gonna trust them?

>>300
Why wouldn't I? They have no reason to lie about these things.

>>301
It's not about lying. Many people are simply wrong.

>>302
Many doctors are simply wrong; that won't stop people from going to the doctor. It is better to be safe than to be sorry.

>>303
That's a stupid comparison. Forming your own opinions is a valuable thing. Only some doctors are quacks while every critic is a fraud.

>>304
You don't have to be a quack to be wrong; the comparison very much stands and if you want another one: reasonable people read impressions of a product before they decide to buy it when shopping online. Forming your own opinion is irrelevant here - the point is not wasting time. I don't know what you mean by "critic", as far as I'm aware that's a word for people who review entertainment as a job - I am not familiar with any manga or novel critics.

>>305
People who write reviews and post them as a hobby are also critics.

why is CP spam so frequent on shitaba

because some retard made an imageboard list and put shitaba in there

doesn't explain why that though. What is someone gaining here?

depends. it might be some arcane way to boost the ranking google gives to the pages linked, some schizo having fun, or hiroyuki trying to destroy western civilization again

The "reddit spacing" meme is fascinating to me, because it has absolutely no basis in reality. People formatted their posts like that for decades before reddit was a thing, and people on reddit don't even post like that to begin with.

I guess if you just say something a bunch of times people will start believing it, even if it's objectively false.

>>309
not everything is loss and gain, some people do stuff (no matter how fucked and weird) to pass time and to fuck with people.
>>311
>...and people on reddit don't even post like that to begin with.
wrong, at least in my recollection. go into the comments on any reddit post. you will find it. now, is that strictly a reddit thing? no, definitely not. but it serves as an indicator that someone is foreign to a domain like an imageboard where line separators aren't really necessary. also gtfo reddit

>>311
>...and people on reddit don't even post like that to begin with.
the point of it is that to do a newline on reddit, you actually need to hit enter twice for some reason. So the concept is that if you see someone doing that on another site, it's because they're used to how it works on reddit. Still a pretty dumb meme though.

Are youtube dislikes cheesed? I swear to god whenever I see a video with just under 50 thousand views, the video always has either 32 dislikes or 52 dislikes. What gives?

>>314
From what I understand, there's this weirdness in how youtube updates pages that means what you see in the like/dislike bar isn't always actually representative of the actual likes and dislikes.

All I want out of life is to be left alone. For some reason, everyone hates me for it.

There was a thread for sharing random neat/useful websites, but I can't find it right now so I'm posting this here:
https://artvee.com/

>>316
That's a luxury you can't afford. Nothing's for free, and you're born indebted.

I know I'm going to sound like an edgy dipshit, but as I've gotten older I've stopped believing in morality. It's just a tool powerful people use to trick others into doing what they want.

There's no good guys or bad guys in life or history, just winners and losers. There's no good actions or bad actions, just ones that warrant a response that you like.

>>319
I don't think there's no such thing but people use it as a blunt weapon instead of a guide, which is sad.

>>319
> It's just a tool powerful people use to trick others into doing what they want.
Are you Greek by chance? Have you ever met a man named 'Socrates'?
Joking aside, I find myself to be the opposite: I've gained a stronger sense of morality's presence as I got older. It's just easy to deny in this age when so many people offend it. I've noticed a similar thing happening with the concept of 'love', where people don't believe in it because of how selfish and rocky relationships are.

The mighty will rule whether it's by force of will, force of mind, or force of arms. Morality is how they see fit to dispense it.
>>321
Is that a dig at Socrates? I'm interested.
I don't think things like morality and love have ever existed in any meaningful capacity for the common man.

>>322
> Is that a dig at Socrates? I'm interested.
No, it's actually a reference to the early parts of the Republic. One of Socrates' opponents actually shared a very similar line of thought you expressed in your previous, saying "Justice is merely the interest of the stronger". Explaining it as Justice being a tool for the rulers to keep their subjects in line, and that those who could do un-justly without being caught gained happiness.

Of course, me not being Socrates, I'd probably do a poor job of defending morality, but I at least feel that some baseline of morals and love are necessary for societies to be born, and even for infants to last beyond their earliest years. If there was no such thing as morality, and everyone did as they pleased with no regard for others, no one would be able to work together, and the social animal that is a human would not function.

Kings only become kings because their fellow men don't immediately murder them as soon as they get some land.

>>323
>If there was no such thing as morality, and everyone did as they pleased with no regard for others, no one would be able to work together, and the social animal that is a human would not function.
I think you're missing my point, probably because I explained it poorly.

Morality exists insofar as it's a part of the human psyche. Morals are basically really strong desires. You want the world to be a certain way so you fight for it to be that way. But there's no objectively right set of morals. What is considered to be right or wrong varies from person to person, sometimes subtly, sometimes vastly. It's not a cosmic force, it's just a part of your brain.

The vast field of moral theories shows that it is subjective, but just because there are grey areas does not mean that it is invalid and it's now justified to kill someone who says the wrong thing

>>325
I think we're in agreement then.

I hate seeing people use slurs like fag and nigger seriously on imageboards. It shows how far western imageboard culture has drifted from what it once was.

Back in the day, you used words like that because it was fun to say something you're not supposed to. It was edgy rebellious fun. Nowadays, people are genuine racist homophobes, and they sucked all the fun out of it.

That's not to say that there wasn't any racists or homophobes back in the olden days, there definitely was, but they weren't pushy about it like they are now. When you called someone a nigger back then it was because it was a naughty word that'd get you banned if you used it somewhere else. Now it's just a racial slur.

>>327
I don't think that's changed. I think the act just goes further.

>>328
I think the intent definitely has. Save for a few notable exceptions, internet activism wasn't really a thing until chanology happened and ruined everything. Now everyone's an activist, trying to shove their opinion down your throat 24/7

>327
We reached peak anti-racism and have nowhere to go but back down from here.

>>327
It's a good filter against oversensitive undesirables. Sure these words possess the potential of attracting other irrational stupids but those can be easily refuted and told to fuck off.

> Sure these words possess the potential of attracting other irrational stupids but those can be easily refuted and told to fuck off.
> those can be easily refuted and told to fuck off.
This is so false that I'm honestly taken aback how anyone with experience in imageboards can think this.

The online game I played every day announced it's shutting down. With it shutting down I will lose all the friends I made because we'll end up playing different games and have nothing to talk about anymore. It was nice having people to share enthusiasm with every day. I feel really lonely now.

I've done it. I've reached the point where the internet isn't even enough to satisfy my info addiction. Now what

>>334
You're probably not exhausting your potential by using it efficiently.

>>334
Buy a room in the Library of Congress?

I'm getting sick of people doing the maddox shtick, where the whole joke is "I'm an actual unironic asshole, laugh". *chan people eat that shit up and I have no clue why. It's never been funny. It's just annoying.

>>337
I assume people like it so much because it makes them feel superior while not demanding any sort of work from them. Not that people won't put work in to the shtick, but it's still an easy way to assert yourself online, especially in 'no rule zones'.

>>334
Get bitten by a radioactive philosopher? Fuck, I dunno (. _. )

>>327
It may feel freeing in the short term to say some naughty words that you're not supposed to, long term it doesn't work out so well.

People have a nasty tendency to propagate things they hate by complaining about them.

After years of blankness, I'm starting to have dreams again. I can remember most of them, naturally, but I'm glad that they're actually becoming common occurrences again.

I do somewhat remember one I had last night though: It was set in a cold, tundra-like landscape. People seemed to generally be rare and were scattered about. It starred two girls and a guy, I don't think they were named, and they were traveling about and meeting people. There was some odd science fantasy twists later on, like it being revealed than one of the girls was a major element of a hivemind, the guy was also art of the hivemind and just didn't realize it, and the other girl was an "enemy", but had opted to be friendly to the hivemind. She ends up dying later though.
It's odd and tought to completely explain, but that's how dream are, right?

I've seen anime fans before try and act like the "big eyes, small nose, small mouth" style isn't a thing and you're just a stupid american for thinking all anime looks the same. But not only is it 100% obviously a thing (even "realistic" anime characters generally have bigger eyes than you'd actually see in real life), it's also a GOOD THING. Big eyes are objectively more appealing than small ones.

Abstract strategy games are really beautiful to look at. If I ever get a house, I'd like to set some up as decoration.

Ironic memes are a byproduct of the internet's current place in culture. The internet has been so established for so long that you have an entire generation who grew up on memes and is now making jokes about them.

mankind is fucking doomed

>>346
Good

Early 4chan was heavily influenced by porn, to the point where it probably wouldn't exist today if NSFW content wasn't allowed. But people like to downplay that aspect of the site's culture because it makes them uncomfortable. You can see the same thing happen with historical accounts of other websites (especially Newgrounds), so I wonder how much western prudishness has affected our perception of history as a whole.

>348
It's not so much that people are offended, but that porn has a nasty effect of shoving out other kinds of conversation in favor of more porn. Even in places like /b/, which was assumed to already be a cesspit, the amount of porn actually made it even worse, and brought in even dumber types of users.
A similar thing happened with /gif/, so much so that the board has to be split because it was unusable for anything but porn.

>>349
What I'm saying is more that people understate its existing influence. Porn was a big part of golden age 4chan, but people always downplay that part of the site's history for some reason.

Sometimes, I think people squabble online not because of the importance of the subject, but because getting angry feels good. Like a large chunk of people online, at least the loud ones, are addicted to outrage and use "moral" subjects to get their fix.

A lot of modern realistic artists, particularly western ones, suck at controlling detail. When making art, the important bits should generally be the most defined. Simply implying the less important parts not only saves on a ton work, it also makes the picture easier to read, which is in theory the whole point of art; to communicate. Rendering every last detail on everything doesn't make your drawings look good, it just makes them needlessly cluttered and ugly.

If you're smart enough to be distrustful of mainstream media, you shouldn't also be dumb enough to fall for "alternative" media.

I'm tired of people who rely on the system and encourage others to do the same. The people who will shame you for living in the country side instead of a big filthy and expensive city, the people who will shame you for caring about your privacy and for being resentful to government overreach (gun control, so called "hate speech" laws, etc.). You wanna be a civtard drone that does nothing but consoom social media all day? Fine, but don't force me into that! It's all so tiresome.

http://www.boukakiki.or.jp/poster/chronicles.html
The women (why women?) on these Japanese fire prevention posters seem to be getting more baby-faced every year. Maybe it's just makeup trends, but damn if it isn't creepy.

>355
I'm impressed by Smokey Bear's ever expanding harem!

One of my favorite things about waking up is seeing the morning sunlight stream through the tiny window of my apartment.

At the time 4taba was practically dying, when the site was only accessible through an IP and not the normal domain, I changed my bookmark to the IP and at some point noticed it too didn't work anymore. I just assumed it was all over and now, over a year later, I look up 4taba again and you're alive. My random thoughts about this turn of events are positive.

>>357
Same here, anon.

>>357
Somehow I actually quite dislike this. I prefer waking up and seeing that it's dark out, or pre-morning, because it means there will be no noise coming from the outside for at least some hours.

i hate feeling "jealous" when i see someone who's my age (26) look older than me for some reason, i should and sometimes am grateful that i look younger than i should, but i've had this feeling since i was in elementary, could never really shake it off.

There's nothing new under the sun, but there is values in doing old things with your own hands.

I get annoyed when I see teens who think that drawing like oney/psychicpebbles + using ironic memes makes them newgrounds. Maybe it's just me, but the newgrounds I remember was basically an edgier deviantart. 90% of the content on the site was stuff like this:
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/274161
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/330445
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/264921

If those kids saw newgrounds back in its heyday, they'd have called it cringe and left.

I hope the next generation will push cringing at things even further

I don't understand anymore but I'm curious how far it can go