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1 Anonymous 2019-09-10T05:21:43 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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This man is making the top charts in Japan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhOVibLEDhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlUb2F-zLxw
This lady is making the top charts in the US:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyDfgMOUjCI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PZsSWwc9xA

Where did Americans go wrong, culturally?
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2 Anonymous 2019-09-10T08:55:49
Nowhere. Music is subjective, and seeing as you're here your tastes are way more inline with what's popular in Japan.
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3 Anonymous 2019-09-10T08:58:01
I wondered how long it would take for the third worlder invented made up conflict between America and Japan to reach here.
Anonymous (Tue)Sep 10 2019 22:07:03
This isn't about a "made-up conflict" or anything, its just observation i made. I'm an American and I was simply surprised at how good (though possibly generic) the Japanese chart-topper was.
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4 Anonymous 2019-09-10T10:28:29 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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>>2
>Music is subjective

The moment music started to be subjective is the moment it started going to shit. By having no standards for beauty, companies and corporations can get away with releasing the most debauched art and get away with it.
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5 Anonymous 2019-09-10T10:37:33
>>4
>The moment music started to be subjective is the moment....

This statement fragment in itself is excruciatingly subjectivist.
You cant escape it. Your position boils down to proposing that even though art is objectively subjective, we should pretend that it is actually objective, fuck reality, nothing is real, its whatever we act like it is.

I listened to the billie eilish songs and they're honestly some of the least awful american pop ive heard in a while. I cant escape the thought that this is some faux-edgy rich girl from cali, but at least they're kinda quiet, not so fucking obnoxious as the shit I was subjected to on the schoolbus as a kid.
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6 Anonymous 2019-09-10T12:25:57
>>4
You're acting like I'm saying all art is subjective, which I never said. A piece of visual art is representative and thus audience understanding is important to it being art, and there are various things every human responds to in largely the same way. This makes it partly, but not entirely, objective

Music on the other hand is completely abstract. The only thing necessary for music to be music is to have some sort of pattern, and which patterns of sound are appealing to the ear vary wildly from person to person. It is categorically subjective
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7 Anonymous 2019-09-10T13:57:13
Westerners don't like melody anymore. It's noticeable not only in popular music, but in film and video game soundtracks. Japan still embraces it, hence the difference.
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8 Anonymous 2019-09-10T14:25:33
>>7
That statement makes no sense unless you're talking about rap, which isn't really music
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9 Anonymous 2019-09-10T14:27:23
>>8
I don't see how it doesn't. Popular music doesn't embrace strong melodies, listen to those examples above.
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10 Anonymous 2019-09-10T14:48:42
>>9
That doesn't mean westerners dislike melody. Deemphasis =/= rejection. You're confusing impressionism with abstract.
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11 Anonymous 2019-09-10T15:07:35 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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Why do girls get a pass to be "edgy". Every xanax addicted teenage white girl is into this self-harm/webcore/scene shit
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12 Anonymous 2019-09-10T15:10:48
>>11
They don't? At least not any more than men. They just tend towards it more because of how much women change during puberty.

As for why it's a thing in music and the like, American guys find it hot
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13 Anonymous 2019-09-10T15:16:04 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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>>12
>They don't?

discarded
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14 Anonymous 2019-09-10T16:40:29
>>10
By "don't like", I don't mean hate, but disinterest.
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15 Anonymous 2019-09-10T21:52:19
>>7
I totally agree with this.
When I was young I always thought I had "weird" musical taste because to me most normal (western) music sounded "dry".
Like people want to listen to parts of songs that don't sound like anything to me, and then when a part comes on that suddenly gets me excited is when they want to change the station or skip to the next song (and those parts are few and far between anyway).

It was always like my brain was just on some totally different musical wavelength from everyone else. And these days almost all of the music I listen to is Japanese, so I don't doubt that it's a "western" thing.
Sometimes I wonder if people actually even know what they like at all, or if they're just responding to clever lyrics or to something that sounds familiar.

I'm not sure if you could say the difference is only melody or not, but I do notice more melody in the jap music I listen to.
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16 Anonymous 2019-09-10T23:25:56 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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Can we take a moment to acknowledge that pop music, especially stuff that makes it to charts, is usually not that great and you should find a genre you like and dive into that?
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17 Anonymous 2019-09-11T17:06:45
This is pretty nice, I like it OP.
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18 Anonymous 2019-09-11T17:31:27
>>16
Preach. This applies to other mediums too. There's tons of great shit made in the west, but if you look to mainstream venues like television or radio you're not gonna find it
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19 Anonymous 2019-09-11T17:59:00
>>18
Likewise, chart topping J-pop aint the real shit either.
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20 Anonymous 2019-09-12T16:22:16
>>19
It applies a lot more to American media, where indie auteur media and big budget corporate media are way more stratified than they are in Japan.

The best example I can think of is comics. Dojin and professional manga are basically the same thing. But western alternative comics are so radically different from mainstream comics that if you weren't told they were American you'd probably assume they were from Europe.
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21 Anonymous 2019-09-14T22:42:31
Looks suspect and cherrypicked. Pretty sure you can find degenerate stuff in japanese charts too.
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22 Anonymous 2019-09-15T10:20:32
>>21
If you use the word "degenerate" to refer to any form of art you're a retard. Art has not been a linear progression since at least the late 1700s. We know all the principals, and unless some cataclysmic event happens we're not going to forget them because we wrote them all down.

Bad art is not "degenerate". It's just bad.
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23 Anonymous 2019-09-19T07:18:59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG9NqEEWE00
This is a really good MV.
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24 Anonymous 2019-09-19T14:19:58 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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>>16
>>18
>>19
>>20
Two counter-arguments:
1. Many works and artists didn't start out as popular. Does their popularity suddenly make them bad?
2. In cinema, for example, the vast majority of films considered masterpieces were popular at the time they were released. Jaws (which is, by the way, also the first summer blockbuster)? The Godfather 1 and 2? Alien? So on and on. Knowing this, how can you in good faith dismiss a work released today for simply being popular?
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25 Anonymous 2019-09-19T19:28:37
>>24
Cinema is a bit of a different animal, but a lot of works are ignored because they weren’t popular, hence cult cinema.
If you want to see why people dismiss popular music, just listen to top 40. You’ll feel like a normalfag zombie.
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26 Anonymous 2019-09-20T16:36:46
>>24
Pop music isn't popular music, it's music deliberately designed to be popular.
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28 Anonymous 2019-10-06T14:48:28
According to the Oricon charts ( https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/js/d/2019-10-05/ ) these are the top singles as of the day i post this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZBeo_k1k-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yCEYQeMqJc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptnYBctoexk
I must admit, they do sound pretty samey. I'm sure I would be tired of this music as well if I needed to hear it all day on the radio.
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29 Nameless 2019-12-12T21:46:07
https://pratanallis.bandcamp.com/track/rainy-sunday
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30 Nameless 2019-12-13T11:10:12
Just listen to shit before the '90s and '00s. Popular music really was better back then.
What happened? Personally, I think niggers. Fucking RnB and rap bullshit.
Anonymous 2020-02-06T12:18:06
>you moran
It is very unlikely that >>30 is Irish, let alone one from the respectable Moran dynasty.
Nameless 2019-12-14T03:31:09
i'm not a fan of rap myself but what is your opinion on motown?
Nameless 2019-12-13T20:17:59
They say that every decade. Ask someone in the 2000s what they think about modern music and they'd probably respond with a joke about autotune.

Also, both genres were at their height in the 90s and 2000s, and American music has had a very heavy black influence since the late 1800s you moran

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