|»|14 名無しさん 2019-12-06T07:19:46
If I do try something again it'll probably be a few years down the road.
I was discussing this with someone in an email and the way the described it helps put it in context. Say it's a good idea to have development be around 90% done when releasing. But since this was a test site it was always incomplete, and then it just sort of solidified at that incomplete state. It always felt about 50% complete to me, and I think it stems from its origin as a testing site.
So if I made a new one I'd be sure to have more things ironed out before even telling anyone, including stuff like how moderation should be handled (something I still never figured out for 4taba, but I was just lucky I never had to delete anything but spam).
I don't know what you mean, it's the whole database. It just has the "cooldowns", "banlist", and "mods" tables deleted, and the "ip" and "session" columns removed on all tables. The first link includes old threads that got pruned, and the 2nd link is just more recent including new stuff that was posted after threads got pruned.
Together they're basically all the server data, aside from image files.
|»|52 名無しさん 2019-12-08T18:01:20
I've been working on my own fork of SchemeBBS (from https://textboard.org/) recently, and I was planning on making it public before Christmas. My plan with the site was going to be a general purpose textboard where I could try out various features such as lisp code evaluation within posts, a neural net reply bot, and whatever else seemed fun.
My motivation for running the site was that although I had found a handful of small imageboards that I liked, with 4taba being the main one, I couldn't find a good textboard, with a /prog/ that felt like home.
That was the case until I found SchemeBBS, which I really liked reading, but seemed to have halted development and was consequently pretty slow-paced.
Now that 4taba is on the way out I want to redouble my efforts and make a good site that will fill part of that void. On the other hand, as others have mentioned a clone of the site would be really nice, and maybe I should focus on that instead.
I would definitely consider incorporating aspects of 4taba into the site that I'm making, and maybe I could make it home to both the textboard and an imageboard. Fair warning though: thus far the plan has been to keep the site as being either an I2P eepsite or a TOR hidden service, and I don't think that I'll be purchasing a domain name anytime soon. For a textboard the latency shouldn't be an issue, but this might be unfeasible for a clone of 4taba. If you haven't tried it out before, the Tor Browser Bundle is really accessible, and I believe that I2P also has a similar browser too.
|»|72 Admin ## SysOP 2019-12-09T05:13:18
My reasons for wanting out are because I really think more radical changes are needed.
Take the subpost feature for example. That was only acceptable to change on a live site because it was more of an addition, and was also fairly similar to the behavior of sage anyway.
I always wanted to eventually make a full site, but 4taba was my way of figuring out what that site needed. I was never completely happy that I had it all figured out (I find it kind of funny that people are asking about how moderation on a clone of 4taba might change when I myself never had any clue what moderation on 4taba was supposed to be), so I wanted to test experimental ideas for the purpose of finding out what kind of site I wanted to actually build, but I never really got the chance because 4taba just became it's own thing.
I made the mistake of thinking I could slowly migrate 4taba into anything I wanted until I had the finished product, but that was a really dumb idea.
Every time I refurbished the site I was kind of locked into keeping everything the same.
In other words, I don't look at this as me giving up, it's more like I want to actually have a chance to make a complete site, with a complete idea in mind of what it's supposed to be. Of course I'm biased, but I'd like to think it could have the potential to be even better than 4taba.
But think about it this way, if tomorrow I change some major aspect of this site (say for example, threads are identified by their titles, and no two threads can have the same title), then what's the difference between that and me just killing this site and starting a new one?
I think by walking away people will feel less like the rug is pulled out from under them, and also it gives others the opportunity to clone 4taba as it is now if they want (as people are already discussing).
If I want to do some of the major changes I think I really want to make then it's more fair to everyone that I just do it on a new site. And hopefully don't make the same mistake I did here of launching it before I knew what it was supposed to be.
TL;DR I'm not completely happy with what 4taba is and I never was. It's always been missing something in my book. So if there's someone out there who is happy with what 4taba is now then maybe they should be running it.
But good luck to them on figuring out how to handle moderation if the site gets more popular though. I wouldn't want to be the one making those choices. It's hard enough to change rules on a site that's already established standards, but even harder on one which never really had any.
|»|100 Admin ## SysOP 2019-12-12T06:29:31
People still want a lot of changes though, it's not like the site is finished. That's what the problem is. It would be one thing to know what "finished" looks like so you could know what to listen to and what not to, but I don't know that.
Now add to that something else I mentioned to someone in an email, but I haven't mentioned it here yet:
Normally I hate talking about my real life on the internet, but I'll just say that I'm going to have to be getting a job soon (like in the next month or two), so I can't live that NEET developer dream anymore and that definitely plays a part in the decision to shut the site down.
It consumed my thoughts enough even as a NEET, I can't even imagine how impossible it would be to live like that with a job at the same time (actually I can, because I did it before and it was a living hell, and this time I think the job will be permanent).