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1 guest@cc 2019-06-26T13:50:44 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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Language based interfaces(Shell language+utils, things like lisp environments, etc) are usually preferable to graphical interfaces for the same reason standard musical notation is preferable to tab notation. Its usually better to be able to just say what you mean than to have to demonstrate it.
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10 guest@cc 2019-06-27T01:03:18
In my experience text based applications are far more "standardized" than GUI ones.
There's basically 2 or 3 main keybinding sets that get reused (vi, emacs, and just your basic dumb arrow-key navigations)
Once you get comfortable with those then you can almost use any CLI interface.

They also tend to share the same optional flags (e.g. -h, -v, -r, etc), and share the same escape codes and such.
From what I can tell "learning" GUI's is like re-learning every single individual application and there's not a lot of overlap.
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11 guest@cc 2019-06-27T19:58:53
Didn’t Lisp machines already have a graphical interface?
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12 guest@cc 2019-06-27T20:11:14
>>11
so did UNIX with X, and plan 9 after it. Its not mutually exclusive. I say its better for most daily tasks, not that you should uninstall your window system and live like stallman.
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13 guest@cc 2019-06-28T15:37:39
>>12
My happy medium is to run PekWM so I can multitask and run applications like with a traditional WIMP interface, but to use xterm as my file manager, program launcher, text editor, ect.
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14 guest@cc 2019-06-28T22:33:13
>>13
Thats what I meant.


1 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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What sort of X resources tricks do you guys do?
*Color15: orange
Some servers I connect to try to send me explicitly white text, so I recolor it as orange so it doesn't become invisible. As you can see, it only remaps the white from the 16-color set, not the 256-color set.
I'm also considering making xterm open by default as 160 x 48.
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2 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
If you don't know what X resources are, you can see what yours are currently set to with xrdb -query and set it just by putting stuff into the standard input of xrdb alone.
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3 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
I don't really have any "tricks", but I've just set the font, size, disabled the scrollbar for urxvt and remapped all the standard 16 colors. Also despite some terminals defaulting to white backgrounds it seems that dark backgrounds are actually considered to be more of a standard for some reason. Which is probably why you get things sending you white text, just assuming you'll have a dark background that it'll show up on.
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4 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
>>3
>but I've just set the font, size, disabled the scrollbar for urxvt and remapped all the standard 16 colors

Post it!
>it seems that dark backgrounds are actually considered to be more of a standard for some reason

Probably IBM PC and DOS users being in charge of picking colors. But exactly that, yes.
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5 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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>>4
https://paste.pound-python.org/show/c6ptRBW8R8mPDMQI3RaT/
Like I said, it's really plain. The only thing interesting about it is I spent quite a while trying to choose colors that contrasted as much as possible, so any color could be read on any background. It's a lot harder than you'd think.
It could probably still use some tweaking but every time you get one combination right it ruins 2 others. Also I still need to work on the brights.
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7 guest@cc 2019-06-17T12:27:43
>>3
>>4
It comes from the way that the oldschool dedicated terminals worked. Most of them only illuminated the text because 1=on and 0=off, so it follows that 1 should be used for illuminated pixels and 0 should be used for pixels that aren't.

Doing it the other way, having 1=off or ink and 0=on or paper, didn't show up until somewhere around the 80s as computers began entering the home, where the paper metaphor made more sense


1 guest@cc 2019-05-31T21:16:30 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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I want to fuck an amiga
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2 guest@cc 2019-06-01T00:43:29
Where would you even stick your dick?
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3 guest@cc 2019-06-02T17:07:17
>>2
12-pin serial port


1 guest@cc 2019-05-24T18:25:44 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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100.
That is all.
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2 guest@cc 2019-05-28T16:45:17
So it actually frees up hard drive space! neat!


1 guest@cc 2019-05-24T20:26:58
>"Computer Club"
>Server with .py scripts: https://github.com/4taba/4taba
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2 guest@cc 2019-05-24T21:16:41
I get the feeling OP is trying to imply something
but I'm not sure what


1 guest@cc 2018-06-18T00:15:45
>Google Docs don't take up Google Drive space
>encode file as base64

>script to insert into Doc

>script to download and decode Doc

>Profit
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11 guest@cc 2019-05-17T21:15:59
Oh, interesting to see that you implemented this. What API limits did you have to work around? Have you uploaded any large files?
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12 guest@cc 2019-05-17T22:10:22
>>11
Oh, it's not my work; I'm not that smart. I think it's great that someone else not only had the same idea, but also implemented it.
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13 guest@cc 2019-05-17T22:13:52
Apparently, there's also https://github.com/PeterTheHe/Unlimited-Drive-Storage, which dates to 2017.
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14 guest@cc 2019-05-17T23:08:32
Dead link for me.
Anonymous (Sat)May 18 2019 07:55:43
A comma got subsumed into the link. Text processing is hart.
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15 guest@cc 2019-05-18T16:46:44
>>7
Work stuff, sadly.


1 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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Does making software for weaker machines ever pay off?
I feel like modern software is bloated, but on the other hand, if I were to make light software, very little amount of people would appreciate that.
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20 guest@cc 2019-05-01T21:36:03
>>19
UNIX with as much lisp as possible thrown in is not a lisp OS, any more than windows with cygwin is UNIX or any OS running a web browser is a javascript system.
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21 guest@cc 2019-05-01T22:01:54
>>20
Then I wonder if there are any somewhat modern kernels out there which are written in lisp
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22 guest@cc 2019-05-01T23:09:43
>>21
>Then I wonder if there are any somewhat modern kernels out there which are written in lis

No, the problem with that first suggestion isn't that the linux kernel isn't written in lisp. A UNIX kernel written in lisp wouldn't be a 'lisp OS' in the sense that anon was pining for either.
Or else, if you werent implying unix, the question is meaningless, like asking about an engine without a car, on the topic of the car.
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23 guest@cc 2019-05-02T01:38:32
Might as well try using emacs as an OS.
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24 guest@cc 2019-05-11T11:20:16
>>21
https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano


1 guest@cc 2019-04-25T06:37:58 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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What are you going to do when support gets cut?
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11 guest@cc 2019-04-27T23:31:23
>>10
That's capitalism.
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12 guest@cc 2019-04-28T12:46:19
>>11
And yet anti-monopoly bureaus are a fairly common thing in the world. Not to mention that MS has been known for shady or outright illegal practices when it comes to "incentivizing". If they were competing fairly it wouldn't have been a problem. I'm not saying they are the literal spawn of Satan, but mere competition and protection of investments and/or properties is not a sufficient defense of their MO.
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13 guest@cc 2019-05-04T10:09:24
>>9
>If they haven't released XP why would they release 7.


It hasn't been 20 years since XP end of service.
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14 guest@cc 2019-05-04T11:01:09
install freebsd
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15 guest@cc 2019-05-04T18:23:10
By that time I'll probably play around with some other OS.


1 guest@cc 1969-12-31T17:00:00
we've all heard about cyberpunk and cipherpunk, but here's something new:

textpunk.

That's right. Textpunk

Newspaper articles, BBSs (like this one), IRC, ASCII art, Kopipe, program source code, Novels, View HTML source, Google search engine, Mathematics, Hieroglyphics, The Rosetta Stone, Gutenberg Bible...

A textpunk doesn't sit there waiting for information to be slowly fed to him drip at a time by the gogglebox. A textpunk is thirsty for knowledge and 100% focused - they read old school hacker textfile zines. They don't waste their time with lame imageboarders: instead they're doing crazy abstract shitposting on /prog/ with thoughts and concepts twisted up so with many levels of irony that it becomes an art form.

Textpunks recognize and understand the true power of kopipe - how a well crafted piece of text can be so damn powerful that it alone can trigger thousands of replies with so much veracity within days. They see through things down into the core of what really counts, everything in the computer is built of text, ascii, strings of bits - They don't care about the latest 3D GUI environment fads. No, that's just a distraction. 7-bit clean ascii program source code. That's textpunk.

Look at how text has shaped humanity: The birth of writing systems was correlated with some of fastest advances of science and technology in early human history. Mass production of the Bible took power away from a few select monks and democratized paving the way for people to start thinking for themselves. Programming is text and it's the closest thing there is in the world to true wizardy and spell casting. Talking about real SICP-type programming here, not that modern garbage.

Today textpunks build up digital libraries of books and stick it to the copyright cartel. Schwarz, lib gen, the gentoomen library, and so many anonymous sources that tireless scan and collect books.. Textpunks are the people in tune with modern digital society of ultrafast cost-free transmission of text, they're the ones rethinking and revolutionizing publishing mixing it with open rights and making works available online.
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36 guest@cc 2018-06-01T20:23:15
>>35
Damn, seconding this. I might even see if I can contribute some edits.
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37 guest@cc 2019-04-26T14:34:42
do we have an IRC
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38 guest@cc 2019-04-26T19:13:26
>>37
#4taba at Rizon. It's just been me and this other guy sitting around in there forever though.
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39 guest@cc 2019-04-29T06:39:26
>>38
For why?
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40 guest@cc 2019-04-29T18:59:21
>>39
For lols


1 guest@cc 2019-04-07T04:57:35
"cat" should fail if only one filename is provided.
Discuss.
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7 guest@cc 2019-04-07T10:26:56
Why is printing to stdout incorrect?
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8 guest@cc 2019-04-07T10:53:04
>>7
Something excruciatingly pedantic, I garuntee you. Maybe he thinks its wrong that it assumes you always want to concatenate to stdout.
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9 guest@cc 2019-04-07T20:01:51
People will then just cat < file instead of cat file.
There's nothing wrong with using cat instead of more to view a short file.
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10 guest@cc 2019-04-07T20:26:51
in my opinion, the UNIX guys shouldn't have called in "cat" in the first place. that title describes its intended function, not the program's actual function.
but I guess we can't really go back in time just to make a stupid change like that
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11 guest@cc 2019-04-07T21:00:02
>>9
Theres no reason pager programs should exist on graphical systems.
Terminals scrolling down to simulate the output of hardcopy terminals is outdated and has no reason to exist anymore. Plan9 gets this right. You cat a file and just page down in the window with your arrow keys.
You can set the terminal to scroll if you really want to, but its often better not to.


1 guest@cc 2019-04-02T07:40:48 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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/g/ bitches about it in package golf dick measuring contests, but honestly, arch has entirely the right idea what with putting the headers and such in every package. any time I want to compile something myself and its /never/ adequately explained beyond 'qt' or just no explanation, its a pain in the ass to look around for the development files for shit I already have installed
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4 guest@cc 2019-04-02T13:45:16
>>3
well they use it to refer to a number of different things, some of which are more important than other.
But using less disk space isn't a reduction in resource use or complexity, though.
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5 guest@cc 2019-04-02T15:13:09
>>1
Why do girls do that?
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6 guest@cc 2019-04-02T23:11:24
>>5
It gets boring waiting in the car while mom gets the groceries
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8 guest@cc 2019-04-06T19:24:39
It's the same on all the BSDs. There are no separate -dev or -doc packages like what Debian does: if you install a package, it comes with everything you might want to use it for..
I agree with OP. I hate doing development on GNU/Linux.
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7 guest@cc 2019-04-05T06:56:34
>>5
BRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPTTTTTT
Anonymous (Mon)Apr 08 2019 02:48:45
Based brapposter


1 guest@cc 2019-04-04T19:46:12 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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Sup 4taba, today I downloaded a calculator onto my computer.
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2 guest@cc 2019-04-04T20:50:43
Did they have to simulate the refresh rate? That blurring gives me a serious headache just by looking at it.
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3 guest@cc 2019-04-04T22:34:44
Heh, i remember writing down notes/formulas in the programs and then looking at them during math tests
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4 guest@cc 2019-04-04T23:25:55
Draw a penis
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5 guest@cc 2019-04-05T10:38:54
Program Snake
Basic Snake is the best,
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6 guest@cc 2019-04-05T21:05:51 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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>>4
Here you go.

>>5
I'll try that.


1 guest@cc 2019-03-05T07:13:09 [ImgOps] [iqdb]
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I already have a CRT and a two decade old laptop (both of which I've had for years). Old tech interests me but the shipping/prices are insane, and most people who sell shit for cheap are in obscure old tech circlejerks that usually have regular buyers.
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2 guest@cc 2019-03-05T18:39:51
80s, yes, 90s, no
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3 guest@cc 2019-03-05T18:47:47
From what I've seen, it isn't that rare to find cheap stuff from random sellers, sometimes even with the option to Buy It Now. However, I'm anything but experienced with this topic and all I'm looking for myself is old beige keyboards, mice and (empty) cases so I can build myself a nostalgia machine, set it on top of my childhood desk and pretend like everything is fine while playing The Sims.
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4 guest@cc 2019-03-29T15:04:32
Depends who you are as a person. I love 80's and 90's computing i would even get analogue computers if i have the money. But I just can't and no space in house. Im in the hobby. Plus im a hoarder even before that.
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5 guest@cc 2019-03-29T15:27:25
But you can't do word processing or send emails to your colleagues with a decimal computer


1 guest@cc 2019-02-28T18:06:45
Technology more like TechLOLOgy LOOOOOL
hahah pls like and share ;)
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2 guest@cc 2019-02-28T23:13:29
tech no, lol ogy
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3 guest@cc 2019-03-04T09:22:26
Techloligy
If you know what I'm saying
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4 guest@cc 2019-03-04T13:09:33
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1 guest@cc 2019-02-25T19:58:56
I needed to open MHTs on Debian. My old solutions were rebooting into Windows (doublebooting or VirtualBox) and using Firefox 3.6, but I remembered that legacy Opera could open MHT files. It worked great, but I also got a metric fuck ton of feels. Opera and Edge have moved on to Blink, and Firefox is trying its best to look like Chrome. The web has become bloated with JS, and browsers have become heavy. Very sad.
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2 guest@cc 2019-02-26T00:09:59
Hey, don't complain about bloat if you're saving your web pages in MHTML. It's arguably a handy archive format (I'd specifically argue against that, though), but it uses far more space than it should have to.
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3 guest@cc 2019-02-26T00:42:23
>>2
I'm not a fan of the internal formatting either (and the MHTs I'm looking at could benefit massively from sharing assets as well), but I find the overall concept less objectionable than having index.html + index_files, or Print as > index.pdf. (Wikipedia seems to suggest that it's based on e-mail technology, which personally explains a lot.) And besides, what else is 7zip for?
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4 guest@cc 2019-02-26T04:05:32
>>3
I just wget my sites and hope the developer was sensible enough to use relative links. In case they weren't, I just try to live without the CSS/images knowing they've been backed up to my disk anyway, but if I were less lazy, I'd have this setup where I automatically host the pages on a local web server. I'm sure there's programs for it out there.

Anyway, as you'd probably know, MHT is short for "MIME HTML". MIME is used in all sorts of protocols nowadays, but it was originally designed for email, hence "Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions". Email was already well-established by the time people started deciding that they wanted to start attaching pictures and stuff to them, but the problem was that email was and always has been just a method of passing single text files around, except in a highly structured way. Breaking that structure to add something like that in would've ended up being pretty disasterous, so to work around this, the guys writing the standards decided that attachments should be converted to text in the middle of the email, and it'd be left to the clients to convert that text back to whatever it originally was. There's different ways to encode binary files as text, but the most popular one is Base64. Clients which couldn't handle this at the time would basically just get a mess of letters and numbers at the bottom of the message, which is a lot better than not being able to read them at all. People eventually got the funny idea of turning their emails into web pages with pictures, bold coloured text, and maybe a little javascript program which tells the sender when you've read their email, and that's where MHTML comes from. Basically a normal HTML page, but anything that was embedded originally is now just encoded as Base64 inline.

I'm a real fan of the technology behind it, but I'm kind of autistic, so I don't really like to change or convert files at all. It'd be best if people basically just abandoned normal HTML entirely, and started hand-writing their pages in MHTML instead, but nothing like that's ever really going to happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_URI_scheme#HTML Check this out, isn't it cool?
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5 guest@cc 2019-02-27T21:05:58
>>4
>I just wget my sites and hope the developer was sensible enough to use relative links.

This reminds me, I had downloaded a bunch of web pages a long while ago and wrote custom CSS + a frames-based HTML wrapper for my offline reading pleasure.

>Anyway, as you'd probably know [...]

I actually did not know. I'm only vaguely aware of how emails are internally (?) formatted. Intriguing.

>I'm kind of autistic, so I don't really like to change or convert files at all.

Oh, absolutely. I use ffmpeg to extract the audio directly from youtube-dl downloads. I appreciate how MHT preserves things decently well in one package.

As for writing pages directly in MHTML and/or data URI schemes: I prefer the idea of keeping resources relatively separate, although there are definitely use cases for putting everything in one file. I used to block images sometimes when browsing the web for faster loading, and did not appreciate Google embedding images as data URIs in the results page. And hand-writing MHTML sounds hellish!
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6 guest@cc 2019-03-03T14:59:19
>I actually did not know.
Just so I can make myself look less autistic, I meant the part about it being short for "MIME HTML", I didn't expect you to know the rest.

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