>>35
Damn, seconding this. I might even see if I can contribute some edits.

do we have an IRC

>>37
#4taba at Rizon. It's just been me and this other guy sitting around in there forever though.

>>38
For why?

>>39
For lols

Why is printing to stdout incorrect?

>>7
Something excruciatingly pedantic, I garuntee you. Maybe he thinks its wrong that it assumes you always want to concatenate to stdout.

People will then just cat < file instead of cat file.
There's nothing wrong with using cat instead of more to view a short file.

in my opinion, the UNIX guys shouldn't have called in "cat" in the first place. that title describes its intended function, not the program's actual function.
but I guess we can't really go back in time just to make a stupid change like that

>>9
Theres no reason pager programs should exist on graphical systems.
Terminals scrolling down to simulate the output of hardcopy terminals is outdated and has no reason to exist anymore. Plan9 gets this right. You cat a file and just page down in the window with your arrow keys.
You can set the terminal to scroll if you really want to, but its often better not to.

>>3
well they use it to refer to a number of different things, some of which are more important than other.
But using less disk space isn't a reduction in resource use or complexity, though.

>>1
Why do girls do that?

>>5
It gets boring waiting in the car while mom gets the groceries

It's the same on all the BSDs. There are no separate -dev or -doc packages like what Debian does: if you install a package, it comes with everything you might want to use it for..
I agree with OP. I hate doing development on GNU/Linux.

>>5
BRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPTTTTTT

Did they have to simulate the refresh rate? That blurring gives me a serious headache just by looking at it.

Heh, i remember writing down notes/formulas in the programs and then looking at them during math tests

Draw a penis

Program Snake
Basic Snake is the best,

>>4
Here you go.

>>5
I'll try that.

80s, yes, 90s, no

From what I've seen, it isn't that rare to find cheap stuff from random sellers, sometimes even with the option to Buy It Now. However, I'm anything but experienced with this topic and all I'm looking for myself is old beige keyboards, mice and (empty) cases so I can build myself a nostalgia machine, set it on top of my childhood desk and pretend like everything is fine while playing The Sims.

Depends who you are as a person. I love 80's and 90's computing i would even get analogue computers if i have the money. But I just can't and no space in house. Im in the hobby. Plus im a hoarder even before that.

But you can't do word processing or send emails to your colleagues with a decimal computer

tech no, lol ogy

Techloligy
If you know what I'm saying

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Hey, don't complain about bloat if you're saving your web pages in MHTML. It's arguably a handy archive format (I'd specifically argue against that, though), but it uses far more space than it should have to.

>>2
I'm not a fan of the internal formatting either (and the MHTs I'm looking at could benefit massively from sharing assets as well), but I find the overall concept less objectionable than having index.html + index_files, or Print as > index.pdf. (Wikipedia seems to suggest that it's based on e-mail technology, which personally explains a lot.) And besides, what else is 7zip for?

>>3
I just wget my sites and hope the developer was sensible enough to use relative links. In case they weren't, I just try to live without the CSS/images knowing they've been backed up to my disk anyway, but if I were less lazy, I'd have this setup where I automatically host the pages on a local web server. I'm sure there's programs for it out there.

Anyway, as you'd probably know, MHT is short for "MIME HTML". MIME is used in all sorts of protocols nowadays, but it was originally designed for email, hence "Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions". Email was already well-established by the time people started deciding that they wanted to start attaching pictures and stuff to them, but the problem was that email was and always has been just a method of passing single text files around, except in a highly structured way. Breaking that structure to add something like that in would've ended up being pretty disasterous, so to work around this, the guys writing the standards decided that attachments should be converted to text in the middle of the email, and it'd be left to the clients to convert that text back to whatever it originally was. There's different ways to encode binary files as text, but the most popular one is Base64. Clients which couldn't handle this at the time would basically just get a mess of letters and numbers at the bottom of the message, which is a lot better than not being able to read them at all. People eventually got the funny idea of turning their emails into web pages with pictures, bold coloured text, and maybe a little javascript program which tells the sender when you've read their email, and that's where MHTML comes from. Basically a normal HTML page, but anything that was embedded originally is now just encoded as Base64 inline.

I'm a real fan of the technology behind it, but I'm kind of autistic, so I don't really like to change or convert files at all. It'd be best if people basically just abandoned normal HTML entirely, and started hand-writing their pages in MHTML instead, but nothing like that's ever really going to happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_URI_scheme#HTML Check this out, isn't it cool?

>>4
>I just wget my sites and hope the developer was sensible enough to use relative links.
This reminds me, I had downloaded a bunch of web pages a long while ago and wrote custom CSS + a frames-based HTML wrapper for my offline reading pleasure.

>Anyway, as you'd probably know [...]
I actually did not know. I'm only vaguely aware of how emails are internally (?) formatted. Intriguing.

>I'm kind of autistic, so I don't really like to change or convert files at all.
Oh, absolutely. I use ffmpeg to extract the audio directly from youtube-dl downloads. I appreciate how MHT preserves things decently well in one package.

As for writing pages directly in MHTML and/or data URI schemes: I prefer the idea of keeping resources relatively separate, although there are definitely use cases for putting everything in one file. I used to block images sometimes when browsing the web for faster loading, and did not appreciate Google embedding images as data URIs in the results page. And hand-writing MHTML sounds hellish!

>I actually did not know.
Just so I can make myself look less autistic, I meant the part about it being short for "MIME HTML", I didn't expect you to know the rest.

intredasting

What will be the future of nostalgia?

Does anyone here use Manylands or Anylands?

How many of us are still here?

It's pretty empty right now. I guess nobody else wants to post becase they feel like the others will miss out.

You can also just put it in your hosts file. I already posted on 4chan's /qa/ and a admin replied.
Here's the thread: https://boards.4channel.org/qa/thread/2570765

>>1
So what would you prefer? Opening the site up to DDoS attacks any other known bots/attack vectors that cloudflare blocks? Which, even if the server could handle can still lead to the VPS host forcefully shut the server down at random times because it doesn't like the traffic.
$5 a month doesn't give you many options.

I was really scared.

>>2
What?
Nice try at what?

>>3
SQL injection? idk lol

>>4
Its a shell function fool.
It'll replace cd with a function that cd's then labels the window with the working directory.

That last bit says "{pwd}", and any computer hacker worth their salt knows that's short for "password". And you're not fooling me!

>>6
u mena Print Working Directory??

What about neuro-networks?

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Not really a fractal generator but I just found this while searching for dumb widgets for my desktop.
https://spbooth.github.io/xmountains/

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>>10
That's not the owner. This is >>7
I am interested in this conversation though. What I'm mostly interested in is if there would be any side effects to less mainstream browsers, but it's worth testing.

>>11
That's the standard. Even Links will follow the redirection header after posting success
Now if you're using something really primitiv lik cURL or Telnet or shitpost.sh, it will act as follow
1. post to some url
2. get a 30x response (meaning success), with a header [Location, /some/path] which it isn't goiing to follow. But it doesn't listen to that current "200, success page with meta refresh" either.

>>5 Your ideas are dangerously un-VIP.

Thanks!

Aw. I remember making this thread.

Every time I see episodes of star trek where someone beats Spok or Data at some game like chess I start thinking about this. Especially data, because my gut instinct is to always say that's not possible, he should always win.
But upon further inspection I think it's not so farfetched after all. If you imagine a game like chess each move is like a single node on an ever expanding tree of all possible moves. There's even actual databases like that where you can just go and look up your current chessboard configuration and see which moves you can make next that have the highest probability of your side winning.
But that's all it ever is, probability.

But it can still be tricky, because probabilities are weighted and it's not always possible to stay ahead. Even if you could provably make every single move with the highest probability of you winning you can still lose, because it takes both players to carve out a branch through that tree and along the way there are fluctuations.
So just playing the odds will not always win. Of course the further ahead you can see the more you can make better choices (e.g. maybe you go down a path that has only a 50% chance of you winning rather than 60% which might be due to stupid mistakes that you know your opponent won't make). It would seem that to actually have the best chance of winning you would want to combine those probabilities along with some knowledge of your opponent.

So I would say chess is a perfect example of the kind of game you're looking for. It would be fun if there was a "bot chess league" where players just pit their chess A.I.'s against one another and then can also refine their code as they observe matches played by other A.I.'s. I don't think such a league could ever actually stagnate. It should always be possible to 1-up any A.I.
I would say that any game which has an exploding tree of possible moves (as opposed to a shrinking or constant one) should be an ideal game for this.

>Are there any games or competitions where it's allowed and expected for both players to use AI to guide their decisions?
Yes you posted it. There's something called "Advanced Chess" where both human players use chess programs to help decide on moves.

Additionally, even traditional chess players at the highest level use chess programs to decide moves. They plan for different positions that the opponent is likely to play and use computers to find good moves. Of course this is all done before the start of the match, possibly days or weeks before.

>>2
>It would be fun if there was a "bot chess league"
Such leagues do in fact exist.
http://icga.org

>>2
I remember something from the 2001 book, about how they would play chess with HAL. Being a sentient supercomputer, he could easily win every single game, but in order to maintain morale he was programmed to lose intentionally around 50% of the time. Dave and Frank conveniently pretended not to know that when playing chess with HAL to pass the time. I could imagine Data, with his overwhelming desire to become more humanlike, would also purposely lose sometimes. For one thing, if you win 100% of the time, you'll soon find that no one wants to play with you. I also remember an episode where he was playing a game of future space-chess or whatever against a master of the game and actually wasn't able to win, but he was able to aim for draws and drag out the game until his opponent, being an organic, got tired and started to make mistakes or something.

I just noticed the chess in OP's image is incomprehensible. I think that's a pawn on the back row.

I have no idea what any of this
means but I'm going to post anyway

Install Gentoo

>>3
not going to shit up my linux machine with nonfree drivers ☭

Closed-source software of the past really does act funny. OP made me smile.